Titanic > tidy room > Saddam Hussain > Hovis. Wow. Looking forward to the BT story.
I find humour is usually a more effective than calling someone an .... idiot, though sometimes the direct approach is tempting and other times you just have to work on the basis that care in the community is seriously under funded. My BT saga is showing vague signs of movement... or death twitches/imminent explosion due to buildup of decomposition gasses. The compensation figure is north of £400 so far, so they can drag it out as long as they want now. I'll throw up a full separate thread once i've got a satisfactory outcome, the basic gist is in the main BT thread. Jez will then be along to argue about things I didn't say about AOL, your comment clearly went over his head...
Haha, indeed. I think Avalon has bigger issues than just his friends internet connectivity. Wow indeed.
... by a mile
As called out by multiple others, Avalon, Talktalk are fine, they have a huge network used by businesses all over the country, and the last mile is all a commodity product anyway (as you seem to be aware of).
Jez, you really seem to be struggling with the difference between reality (eg what I actually post), and fantasy (eg what you seem to think I post and you then reply to). The former actually happens and if others choose to, they can read it/see it, the latter only exists inside the fantasy world in your head. I have to ask, R U OK HUN? If by 'called out by multiple others' you mean people agreeing TT as a network provider can be a decent option when i've not said anything to the contrary and have said as much myself, well I think it's really quite cute that you’re seeing this as validation - take all the positives you can from this if it makes you feel better. Unfortunately agreeing/disagreeing with a point that I didn't make and only existed in your mind doesn't equate to me or anyone else being called out, but don't let facts get in your way.
Here are some examples with notes that may help to get you started:
Avalon said:
Cheapest is not always best. A mate switched to TT recently, his sync dropped noticeably, it lasted 3 months before they had to release him from contract and his sync jumped significantly moving back to Sky. Plusnet + Quidco or TCB would be my suggestion, it’ll likely be similarly priced to the cheapest overall, but actually good.
Simple and straight forward advice, lacking additional information I agree, but as we'll see later on 100% factually correct.
I will point out that this has nothing to do with the ISP, and shows a lack of understanding of the openreach network to make this post.
You will point out what exactly? That you didn't have anywhere near enough information to make your 'point' and lacked the common sense to realise it, let alone the experience to understand the factors involved? Faulty/PoS ISP supplied CPE on a working line = ISP's problem. On the up-side at this stage no-one knows about your issues differentiating reality and fantasy, you’re still ‘passing’ for now.
You are 100% right in pointing out that the last mile up to the CPE is in effect identical due to the way OR operate in the market. You are 100% wrong in your diagnosis however, three tech visits and no dice, I spent 10 minutes at the property and diagnosed the issue - the supplied router (had been replaced by TT), replacing it with a HG612 and pulling stats revealed sync's were back to normal. Feel free to tell me about my lack of understanding though, i'm all ears
So, it’s now obvious that it’s a TT CPE issue, I know the difference between TT and OR and that an SR102/OR FT/HG612 all sync/pass and the TT CPE manages 20Mbit less and we've tried two of them. No big deal right?
I must point out that I don't mean to be obtuse here, i just had to correct this as you mentioned an ISP name as though it has bearing on the openreach network. Talktalk are a huge ISP with a vast network, there is no reason not to choose them as your provider of openreach FTTC as a commodity
The slide to fantasy begins! You must point out again? Did the first time go so well that you needed a round two? You don’t mean to be obtuse, but you are correcting something I didn’t say? (Again, it's a TT CPE issue, not a OR or TT network issue - I made that clear in the first reply to you). That’s taking obtuse to a new level, in fact that whole first paragraph really doesn’t relate to anything I actually posted, i’ve not mentioned anything about TT’s network or the OR network, i’ve been very specific and said it’s a TT CPE issue. You do understand what CPE is don’t you? Perhaps if you waffle a bit i’ll not notice you haven’t grasped the fundamentals? Lets try that... Slight concerns we're not quite on the same page here.
Anyway, you contradict yourself as you seem aware of the network but also are still mentioning the ISP. As you rightly say, the network over which this sync issue occurred is identical, ie, it did not change and will not change when you change the upstream provider. The technicians visiting are not even the ISPs, they are openreach employees. This matter had nothing to do with the ISP....
Fantasy slide becomes nose dive. Your point is that thing I didn't say is wrong, and I contradict myself because the thing I did say is right... so basically if we ignore what I didn't say you just said I was right... remind me again, what did you say about not meaning to be obtuse? Suddenly i've also apparently linked OR/3rd party technicians as being part of TT in your fantasy world, but not in actual reality, but we still haven't got that CPE penny to drop yet. Surely if you had then you wouldn’t be daft enough to argue that TT’s CPE isn’t TT’s problem, you've still not managed to tell me who's problem it is though. Really starting to think you don't know what an ISP supplied router is...
Perhaps i’m not making this simple enough? Let me try again …. The box that says 'TalkTalk' on it that plugs into the phone socket and the power power socket at your house and lights up with those funny ports on the back, that belongs to TalkTalk (the name printed on it is a clue!), they don’t have anything to do with the wires between your house and the green box or the exchange, but if that thing with the lights on that says ‘TalkTalk’ on it sync’s 20Mbit lower than everything else you, OpenReach or anyone else plug into the socket, then you can bet your nuts that it’s TalkTalk’s problem… even if it isn’t, your loss is the gene pool's gain
At least 75% sure you've not got a scooby doo what you're talking about by this stage.
This must be a constant source of frustration to the ISPs that people such as yourselves do not understand how the network works, yet blame the ISP (although as mentioned, i do not understand your confusion as you appear to be aware of the situation).
Nose dive becomes hurtling at the speed of light headlong into an absolute fantasy word, but it's just comedy gold. We’ve already established that I haven’t said *anything* negative about TT’s network, much less misrepresented how it works or a customers path to it (again it’s a CPE issue that happens before we ever get past the cab), i’ve demonstrated an understanding of how the UK ISP reseller market operates and you’ve completely failed to grasp that TT’s CPE being faulty is TT’s issue, but i’m the one who doesn’t understand? I still chuckle at ‘people such as yourselves’, surely someone such as
yourself would see the irony in this? 'This must be a constant source of frustration to...' er.. anyone stuck reading this?
Please just accept that you struggled (as mentioned, hard to explain against just your anecdotal post) with a couple of their supplied modems, that was all. You then posted as if their connection quality is garbage, about engineers who were not even theirs, etc, which to most on here is just totally misleading.
Please try and keep up, TT haven't supplied modems to residential customers in years, as quoted above i’ve not said anything about TT’s connection 'quality', this was a CPE issue and a Jez not reading/Jez's fantasy world issue, you made a statement and it was wrong, you didn't understand what CPE was and then you just made up a whole different conversation that clearly didn't take place. It's time to put your big boy pants on and suck it up buttercup, if it makes you feel better we can just agree that you won your imaginary argument about things that I didn’t say and the whole internetz loves you long time? Will that make you feel a little less butt hurt about the whole thing? If not i'll leave you to debate things I didn't say with
yourself ... I'm sure my imaginary elf is bigger than yourself*
*May have been fractionally less groan worthy in December.
