Right Wing terrorist attack in Surrey

For quite a few reasons, not limited to pest control, hunting for food, wildlife population control (culls), target shooting, sports shooting, clay pigeon shooting, Olympic games qualification and many others including for myself (shock/horror) "entertainment" because shooting safely and responsibly is fun and I personally got enjoyment from it.

However, because a terrorist illegally modified his legally held weapons to aid him in his attack, the 99.9% of legal, responsible owners will potentially have their existing ownership rights removed in a "close the door after the horse has bolted" knee-jerk reaction.

They voted for it indirectly, they can vote for someone to remove the legislation if they really deem it worthwhile.

Again you do not live in some fantasy world where they should do nothing as representatives.
 
He was allegedly shouting about killing a Muslim. If true then it was pretty specific about who he was aiming for.

Oh I don't doubt that, but how is that different to any targeted racist attack we see day in day out?
 
Oh I don't doubt that, but how is that different to any targeted racist attack we see day in day out?

So soon after a massacre is basically a follow up, it’s well documented that crime begets more crime in a short period after the fact.

This is no different and is entirely why global news needs restrictions. We will be heading for civil war at this rate.
 
For quite a few reasons, not limited to pest control, hunting for food, wildlife population control (culls), target shooting, sports shooting, clay pigeon shooting, Olympic games qualification and many others including for myself (shock/horror) "entertainment" because shooting safely and responsibly is fun and I personally got enjoyment from it.

However, because a terrorist illegally modified his legally held weapons to aid him in his attack, the 99.9% of legal, responsible owners will potentially have their existing ownership rights removed in a "close the door after the horse has bolted" knee-jerk reaction.

Still not quite sure why your need semi automatic rifles for the things you have listed?
 
New Zealand has a lower murder rate than the UK at 0.99 deaths per year, despite there being 30 guns per 100 people. Yet guns must now be banned following an emotional reaction to a terrorist attack. The left will simply not be happy until people are being prosecuted for thought crime and men are neutered at birth because testosterone is linked to aggression.

Still not quite sure why your need semi automatic rifles for the things you have listed?

Why do you need such a powerful camera? Could you use that camera to take a picture of a woman getting changed through a window or school children playing at long distance? Not quite sure why you need it mate?
 
Yep, great to see 5 million law abiding citizens rights stripped because of one incident by a non native.

What rights have been stripped?

No vote or anything, democracy at its finest.

Democracy does not mean the public gets to vote on every single piece of government legislation. That's what elected representatives are for.

New Zealand has a lower murder rate than the UK at 0.99 deaths per year, despite there being 30 guns per 100 people. Yet guns must now be banned

But guns aren't being banned. People will still be able to purchase, own, and use guns after this legislation is passed.
 
New Zealand has a lower murder rate than the UK at 0.99 deaths per year, despite there being 30 guns per 100 people. Yet guns must now be banned following an emotional reaction to a terrorist attack. The left will simply not be happy until people are being prosecuted for thought crime and men are neutered at birth because testosterone is linked to aggression.

Semi autos are the only contention here going by the language used, you’re being disingenuously exaggerative.

And you’ve e completely gone off on a **** tangent, control yourself.
 
New Zealand has a lower murder rate than the UK at 0.99 deaths per year, despite there being 30 guns per 100 people. Yet guns must now be banned following an emotional reaction to a terrorist attack. The left will simply not be happy until people are being prosecuted for thought crime and men are neutered at birth because testosterone is linked to aggression.



Why do you need such a powerful camera? Could you use that camera to take a picture of a woman getting changed through a window or school children playing at long distance? Not quite sure why you need it mate?

And it begins. The NZ government tries to actually do something constructive and is immediately criticised for being "the left".
 
New Zealand has a lower murder rate than the UK at 0.99 deaths per year, despite there being 30 guns per 100 people. Yet guns must now be banned following an emotional reaction to a terrorist attack. The left will simply not be happy until people are being prosecuted for thought crime and men are neutered at birth because testosterone is linked to aggression.

Woah. What is it with you people and phallic obsessions? I hope you aren't sharing these paranoid delusions beyond the online world, it would raise a few eyebrows amongst your acquaintances.
 
Hands up for a world without the internet and mobile phones?

I'd scrap both tomorrow, the world was a better place before them and people were happier. I used to laugh (the wireless, b and w TV, very simple food etc) at my parents when they said 'Things were better in our day', now I'm older I realise I know exactly what they mean and they were right. Simpler lives were better, having 'less' and more importantly being happy with far fewer consumer trinkets and having less technology to waste your life on, and engender envy, spite and fear etc was better, they did not have much high tech, but they did have community and an identity and a real way of life.

Things were better before mobile phones and especially the internet. End of story.


A very good post. I am seriously considering going mobile free (as in smart phone) free next year. I have an ancient phone Noking around somewhere with the old T9... Had to tell one of the kids off at weekend for a 10hr tablet binge watching a talking head... Gave the run down on 8hrs a day on tablet is a waste of 4months of your life per year


Since all this discussion about homicidal crazy people and their manifestos.

Did you ever read the Unibombers manifesto?

Just because he was crazy didn't mean he was wrong! :/
 
New Zealand has a lower murder rate than the UK at 0.99 deaths per year, despite there being 30 guns per 100 people. Yet guns must now be banned following an emotional reaction to a terrorist attack. The left will simply not be happy until people are being prosecuted for thought crime and men are neutered at birth because testosterone is linked to aggression.



Why do you need such a powerful camera? Could you use that camera to take a picture of a woman getting changed through a window or school children playing at long distance? Not quite sure why you need it mate?

IS there a law against taking pictures of fully clothed children outside playing? Journalists do it all the time.

There is a big difference between owning a camera which is a tool than a gun which is a weapon.

There is simply no need to own a gun but I think you will find most people will take several pictures on an almost daily basis.

You are being ludicrous. Why don't we all own nukes for enjoyment too? I mean I would love to be able to use one on fireworks night. It's for enjoyment so it's okay for me to make my own nukes. So long as I use them for my own fun it doesn't matter.
 
Hunting for food? Do you even believe this bs? You don't need semi-automatic rifles to kill deer, mate. Nor do you need them to qualify for the Olympics. :rolleyes:

pest control? like what? is there no other way to do this without a gun?

hunting for food? don't make me laugh. when is the last time anyone here needed to hunt for food?

wildlife population control - this just proves you are a mentalist. how about we control the population of gun owners by rounding them all up and shooting them?

target shooting - can this not be done at a gun club where the guns are hired and kept on site under strict security where they cannot leave the premises?

Still not quite sure why your need semi automatic rifles for the things you have listed?

Lots of replies from people who didn't read the post I was replying too which ONLY asked "Why do people need guns" to which I answered correctly. Maybe use less emotion and more logic to read and understand both the question which was asked (it's important) and then you'll duly understand the answer I gave.

If you make up questions in your own head then my answer will obviously make no sense to you or if the question actually asked was ONLY regarding semi-automatic firearms, my answer would have been different but ,because I read the question correctly, I answered the question that was actually asked and not something you guys have made up.

They voted for it indirectly, they can vote for someone to remove the legislation if they really deem it worthwhile.

Again you do not live in some fantasy world where they should do nothing as representatives.

I think you maybe confusing me with the poster above as I haven't said anything about voting or representatives. My "complaint" as always in these situation is that the 0.01% of bad owners will have a disproportionate effect on the 99.999% of good owners so I feel sorry for them, thats it, nothing else.
 
A very good post. I am seriously considering going mobile free (as in smart phone) free next year. I have an ancient phone Noking around somewhere with the old T9... Had to tell one of the kids off at weekend for a 10hr tablet binge watching a talking head... Gave the run down on 8hrs a day on tablet is a waste of 4months of your life per year

Why the need to go mobile free? Do you have no self control?

I have never had facebook, instagram, twitter, snapchat, etc, etc.

I use my phone for whatsapp, camera, youtube, emails and calls/text and some reading.

Basically what you are advocating here is like if some people drink too much they need to ban alcohol. What about those who do it in moderation? What about TV should be ban that too? Just because some people will quite happily sit in front of one for 12 hours a day? Ban computers too?

Going smartphone free just shows you have an issue not the smartphone itself.
 
Sorry for not seeing that you were answering the question"why do we need guns". I had wrongly assumed we where dealing with the proposed NZ ban on automatic and semi automatic weapons,
 
Oh I don't doubt that, but how is that different to any targeted racist attack we see day in day out?

If a Muslim attacks a non-Muslim shouting about the 'kuffar' it's not a random attack is it?

I know what you mean though, but it does support the possibility of greater attacks against Muslims. Of course that does also mean others getting caught up in the violence (e.g.Sik have been targeted a number of times, being brown with beards and turbans).
 
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