AM4 Air Cooler

doyll said:
There are many different 'TRUE Spirit' coolers from 90mm to 140mm in both direct contact and enclosed heatpipes configurations. Same with Macho coolers. Got to Thermalright.de to see many of the different models. Thermalright has 3 or 4 different websites; thermalright.de, thermalright.com, therlmalright-china.com .. only one selling in UK and only one actually in UK with only a few coolers stocked, only one distributor in USA, none in Canada, etc. Best way to get Thermalright is look for alternate websites that ship to UK.
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I think his problem is that he overthinks the solution. He's using the stock cooler and now wants and expects a miracle from any cooler that is recommended. Which is just a waste of time and efforts.
 
4K8KW10 said:
I think his problem is that he overthinks the solution. He's using the stock cooler and now wants and expects a miracle from any cooler that is recommended. Which is just a waste of time and efforts.
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Respectfully I disagree.
Researching the market to get the best value for money is what more people should be doing .. and that is all Relentless81 is doing here. Most buyers at most take the word of some moronic salesperson who try to talk as if they are knowledgeable but really know little or nothing about the products they are selling .. which is much worse. At least posting up and discussing on OcUK consumer has some idea about what they are getting.
 
doyll said:
Respectfully I disagree.
Researching the market to get the best value for money is what more people should be doing .. and that is all Relentless81 is doing here. Most buyers at most take the word of some moronic salesperson who try to talk as if they are knowledgeable but really know little or nothing about the products they are selling .. which is much worse. At least posting up and discussing on OcUK consumer has some idea about what they are getting.
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But he needs to start with the qualities of the silicon, first. You have a very pronounced frequency wall, so OC efforts should be considered carefully - is it worth or is it not worth it, will he gain a degree or so, will he gain a second or a point more in a synthetic benchmark... Think it carefully.

I would take an 8-core Ryzen for the price difference that would go for a cooler:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £218.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)​
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My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £248.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)​
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I get what you're saying but doyll is right, I like my 2600x and it was the right choice I just want to change the OEM cooler for something quieter and better performing also I believe downdraft coolers increase GPU and system temps and I'm curious to see if that's the case

You're right though I over think everything but it almost always leads to buying the right thing and I despise overpaying for something due to marketing I really prefer to support the underdog where possible if they have a comparative solution for less money
 
The reason I changed the stock cooler off my 2700x was noise. The cooler itself did a great job, but it got really noisy, even when idling, now it's pretty much silent, I let it run a little warmer too when idling, just so I can have the fan at near min RPM.
 
I think Unseul has a Thermalright ARO-M14 in his build. I don't remember what case, motherboard and RAM he has.

If you want extreme cooling for the few times you want extreme CPU performance the Silver Arrow TR4 is a real cooling beast, but with it's TY-143 fan it is quite loud at full speed .. and case fans need to be upgraded to match the extreme amount of airflow it uses at high speeds.
 
Relentless81 said:
You're right though I over think everything but it almost always leads to buying the right thing and I despise overpaying for something due to marketing I really prefer to support the underdog where possible if they have a comparative solution for less money
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Certainly better to think too much than none.
There's too many of those to whom life is one prolonged effort to avoid thinking.
11 years ago spend overall like 5 months looking for case candidates, listing and comparing them.
And now (if I wanted to change the case) couldn't find any case I would be satisfied, because marketing fads have crippled and limited every case so badly.

For the price now stocked Scythe Mugen 5 would be very good.
It's basically only step behind top level coolers costing twice the money.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/scythe-scmg-5100-mugen-5-rev.b-cpu-cooler-hs-046-sy.html

And with mid density fin spacing it's very reasonably sized and doesn't cover DIMM slots, leaves good margin for any PCI-e slots etc.
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8320/scythe-mugen-5-rev-cpu-cooler-review/index5.html
Also actual mounting of it is very simple with mounting bar attached to base of heatsink and screws to it.
And unlike in case of some "poor" Noctua you get long tipped screw driver, which you can use in other assembly work besides mounting cooler.

With its availability in Europe being not so great I'm thinking of buying it before hand to wait for PC upgrade at the latest in summer.


Thermalright ARO-M14/HR-02 Macho is basically equal, but with very loose fin spacing good for minimal fan RPM/passive cooling making it rather huge in size.
Also those come with screw driver for mounting it.
 
EsaT said:
Certainly better to think too much than none.
There's too many of those to whom life is one prolonged effort to avoid thinking.
11 years ago spend overall like 5 months looking for case candidates, listing and comparing them.
And now (if I wanted to change the case) couldn't find any case I would be satisfied, because marketing fads have crippled and limited every case so badly.

For the price now stocked Scythe Mugen 5 would be very good.
It's basically only step behind top level coolers costing twice the money.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/scythe-scmg-5100-mugen-5-rev.b-cpu-cooler-hs-046-sy.html

And with mid density fin spacing it's very reasonably sized and doesn't cover DIMM slots, leaves good margin for any PCI-e slots etc.
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8320/scythe-mugen-5-rev-cpu-cooler-review/index5.html
Also actual mounting of it is very simple with mounting bar attached to base of heatsink and screws to it.
And unlike in case of some "poor" Noctua you get long tipped screw driver, which you can use in other assembly work besides mounting cooler.

With its availability in Europe being not so great I'm thinking of buying it before hand to wait for PC upgrade at the latest in summer.


Thermalright ARO-M14/HR-02 Macho is basically equal, but with very loose fin spacing good for minimal fan RPM/passive cooling making it rather huge in size.
Also those come with screw driver for mounting it.
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Thanks for the suggestion I appreciate it, I did read about that one and the only thing that puts me off is the silver, I'm really after a black cooler to fit the theme, daft I know but it will bug me if I don't
 
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Relentless81 said:
Thanks for the suggestion I appreciate it, I did read about that one and the only thing that puts me off is the silver, I'm really after a black cooler to fit the theme, daft I know but it will bug me if I don't
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HR-02 would have black top plate for style touch which I would consider best:
If every part is completely black inside the case there's no contrast.
Though with solid aluminum side panel lined with 2mm of bitumen + ~1cm acoustic foam don't care about colour of components.

Anyway can of spray paint for painting top plate would certainly be cheaper than price difference to many fashion brand heatsinks.
 
Hi,

Just thought I would post back with what I ended up with as this thread was helpful, after hours of reading reviews and boring myself with the whole situation I decided I wanted an all black cooler that was as silent as possible, I also had some credit where I bought it from which made it cheaper and is a site I trust so I bought a Bequiet Dark Rock 4.

I've had a couple of Bequiet products in the past, an older version of the Dark Rock which was fine from what I remember and the TF which was pants and got returned, this put me off Bequiet a bit but I was so bored of waiting for Noctua's new all black coolers that I decided to give them another try

Installation was a lot simpler than the previous Bequiet coolers, just hold the original AM4 back plate in place with one hand and install the brackets with the other. I saw a lot of reviews slating the fan clips, I didnt have an issue, I did one side of the fan first and then push the fan across the cooler to fit the other, was pretty straight forward

One noob error I made when installing was I removed the CPU to clean the old paste of properly, this of course wiped the BIOS and I didnt save a record of my fan profiles so I spent the next hour setting them up again!

Once fitted it definitely looks as nice as it did in the pictures I had seen, its a quality and well built product, its also silent I cant hear over my case fans which I'm considering replacing with Silent Wing 3's to satisfy my needs for a matchy matchy

I fired up Prey for about 45 minutes, HW Monitor reported a peak CPU temp of 62C which on the OEM Wraith Spire was about 72C so 10C there, I do need to mess with my case fan profile some more so I can get them at 100% under load I reckon they'll help drop it by another degree or so. One thing I was hoping was that the boost clocks would improve and that they did, max boost of 4.25ghz reported on every core

Another thing I was hoping was that the GPU temps would drop due to the improved front to back air flow, unfortunately they didn't and this made no change to the GPU temps

I think thats it, seems like I made the right choice which I'm happy with in the end, if anyone has any questions about it feel free to let me know
 
What case and case fans do you have? I ask because many stock case fans are almost worthless and changing to a couple good intake fans can make a world of difference.
 
Just to add, my 1600 at 3.8GHz 1.4V was getting 66 degrees at load on Prime 95 and about 30 idle, using thermal grizzly.

This is wit the Hyper 212 Evo
 
doyll said:
I would think your case with those fans should be supplying cool air to cooler .. assuming case fan speeds cycle with cooler fan speeds.
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I base my fan speeds on system temp, just because on a Ryzen CPU there are spikes in the voltage when browsing the internet etc so when the fans are linked to CPU they are constantly ramping up and down

Also the GPU heats the case and the system with it, the case fans then ramp up to supply cool air, then when the GPU is no longer running and the system is warm the case fans slowly ramp down with the system temp

CPU hit 63C last night during a 2 hour gaming session so 1 higher than previous, it was a bit warmer in the room
 
Relentless81 said:
I base my fan speeds on system temp, just because on a Ryzen CPU there are spikes in the voltage when browsing the internet etc so when the fans are linked to CPU they are constantly ramping up and down

Also the GPU heats the case and the system with it, the case fans then ramp up to supply cool air, then when the GPU is no longer running and the system is warm the case fans slowly ramp down with the system temp

CPU hit 63C last night during a 2 hour gaming session so 1 higher than previous, it was a bit warmer in the room
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I have a very gentle/no curve until the CPU hit's about 50C, precisely because of those spikes, the changes in tone, even with a quiet system, are frustrating. I gwt about 10C variation when browsing/listening to youtube etc, according to hwinfo. No point in the fan responding to that unnecessarily.
 
Yeah, I set fan curves so they remain inaudible until temps are up to about 50c, even then they are just audible unless temps reach about 70-75c which is basically the max temp system reaches. It's it extremely hot day they might hit 80 at 100% load and fans are louder, but that's extreme exception .. like it's time to clean filters. ;)
 
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