Nvidia Fire Shots At AMD’s 7nm Graphics Technology

bru · 6 Apr 2019 at 14:20

Martini1991 said:
I mean, where's the AMD releases that's been ahead at the cost of efficiency? I haven't seen one, the cost of efficiency thus far as managed parity at best.

Vega 56 comes to mind, hence the 1070ti

bru · 6 Apr 2019 at 14:23

Boomstick777 said:
Be interesting to see how AMD's new GPU architecture fairs alongside the new 7nm process. Until then this is all just fluff.

Very true.

CuriousTomCat · 6 Apr 2019 at 14:26

Martini1991 said:
I mean, where's the AMD releases that's been ahead at the cost of efficiency? I haven't seen one, the cost of efficiency thus far as managed parity at best.

AMD have considerably less money for R&D so you can't expect them to produce better tech than Nvidia.

If EVERYONE just bought the fastest, Nvidia would have a 100% market share and they could charge whatever they like.

I'd take a slight performance hit by buying AMD if need be. That way, their future GPUs will improve and Nvidia will have to lower their prices to compete so we all should gain in the long term.

Zernath · 6 Apr 2019 at 15:02

CuriousTomCat said:
If EVERYONE just bought the fastest, Nvidia would have a 100% market share and they could charge whatever they like.

I think some people genuinely want this to happen, for some very strange and highly illogical reason. It's like they want to have to remortgage when the next Nvidia generation comes along! :confused:

Martini1991 · 6 Apr 2019 at 15:07

Nasher said:
But AMD cards generally cost a lot less for an equivalent card. The saving in electricity won't make up that gap. They also seem to sell for more used as well (due to being better for mining).

As for the 480 being hot and noisy, no it wasn't lol. The XFX 480 was a great card and could run almost as low as 1000mv, some went lower. That was less power usage than the 1060, for better performance and with more memory...

Vega 64 wasn't cheaper than the 1080 at launch, it was more like parity (In fact after launch it was more expensive).
VII's currently more expensive than the 2080.

And GTX480, not Radeon 480.

Martini1991 · 6 Apr 2019 at 15:09

bru said:
Vega 56 comes to mind, hence the 1070ti

Oh, specific models rather than overall series.

CuriousTomCat · 6 Apr 2019 at 15:18

Zernath said:
I think some people genuinely want this to happen, for some very strange and highly illogical reason. It's like they want to have to remortgage when the next Nvidia generation comes along!

Yes it does seem that way doesn't it. I don't actually have a problem with people buying an Nvidia card every time though if that's what they want. It's their money after all. What's illogical is when they complain that RTX is too expensive but they buy one anyway. The RTX threads have people saying things like "my 2080ti was far too expensive but what the hell".

Either buy a product and be happy or don't buy it. I can't understand the mindset behind buying something when you know it's too expensive and then grumbling about it.

Rroff · 6 Apr 2019 at 15:20

bru said:
Vega 56 comes to mind, hence the 1070ti

It has evened up a bit now in favour of the 56 but for a long time Vega 56 was very hit and miss against the 1070 - some things faster to quite a bit faster and other things slower to quite a bit slower - it is still for some reason, even more than the 64 which also is a bit similar, a bit of a wildcard for performance shining in some things but taking quite a dive in others.

CuriousTomCat said:
Yes it does seem that way doesn't it. I don't actually have a problem with people buying an Nvidia card every time though if that's what they want. It's their money after all. What's illogical is when they complain that RTX is too expensive but they buy one anyway. The RTX threads have people saying things like "my 2080ti was far too expensive but what the hell".

Either buy a product and be happy or don't buy it. I can't understand the mindset behind buying something when you know it's too expensive and then grumbling about it.

I can kind of understand that thinking actually - Turing overall is way way too expensive for what it is but if I was to spend I'd probably just blow a load on the 2080ti so atleast I get the fastest card for my money.

Wrinkly · 6 Apr 2019 at 15:32

Boomstick777 said:
R:E title of the thread.

Nvidia has a more power efficient GPU architecture on an old NODE process.

AMD has a less power efficient GPU architecture on the new 7nm process.

Be interesting to see how AMD's new GPU architecture fairs alongside the new 7nm process. Until then this is all just fluff.

Get out of here with your common sense

Kaapstad · 6 Apr 2019 at 15:34

Boomstick777 said:
Must have a magical 2080 Ti https://www.google.com/search?clien....131.131.0j1......0....1..gws-wiz.LEze0NxYcSw

Liquid coopling is def way to go with RTX 2080, 2080 Ti if heat and noise are a concern. These are hot 280W+ power sucking beasts for sure.

Coolers on the EVGA FTW 3 2080 ti is very good and quiet, the RTX Titans are very good for reference cards too.

The coolers and temps on my 290Xs on the other hand are very poor, 94C for a reference card is really bad and AMD did themselves no good at all releasing a card running that hot.

CuriousTomCat · 6 Apr 2019 at 15:36

Rroff said:
I can kind of understand that thinking actually - Turing overall is way way too expensive for what it is but if I was to spend I'd probably just blow a load on the 2080ti so atleast I get the fastest card for my money.

Yeah but a computer is a hobby and should make you happy. It's not like having a grumble because the council tax has gone up or having a grumble after you've paid out to have the roof fixed. Those things are a nessesity. If your hobby makes you grumble however, then there's something wrong in my opinion.

Rroff · 6 Apr 2019 at 15:41

CuriousTomCat said:
Yeah but a computer is a hobby and should make you happy. It's not like having a grumble because the council tax has gone up or having a grumble after you've paid out to have the roof fixed. Those things are a nessesity. If your hobby makes you grumble however, then there's something wrong in my opinion.

A lot of people are being priced out of their hobby.

GoogalyMoogaly · 6 Apr 2019 at 15:57

Rroff said:
A lot of people are being priced out of their hobby.

Priced out of their hobby or priced out of the top end of their hobby?
Cuz I suspect a fair few car enthusiasts/hobbyists are priced out of the top end of cars too, so we wouldn't be alone in that respect. Maybe we're just feeling a little entitled? (I'm in the same boat btw)

Rroff · 6 Apr 2019 at 16:03

GoogalyMoogaly said:
Priced out of their hobby or priced out of the top end of their hobby?
Cuz I suspect a fair few car enthusiasts/hobbyists are priced out of the top end of cars too, so we wouldn't be alone in that respect. Maybe we're just feeling a little entitled? (I'm in the same boat btw)

I'd say a bit of both - people who have spent all their lives able to afford a fairly reasonable setup and play games at reasonable quality and framerates will find it a pretty miserable experience if they can only afford low end and people on very strict budgets might be being forced even out of the low end.

Personally I'm in a comfortable position financially - but I don't like to be taken for a mug. Fortunately I don't have a need for anything more powerful at the moment but if a game came out that took my fancy that needed a couple of 2080tis for me to play I can afford that without having to look at my bank balance.

CuriousTomCat · 6 Apr 2019 at 16:11

GoogalyMoogaly said:
Priced out of their hobby or priced out of the top end of their hobby?
Cuz I suspect a fair few car enthusiasts/hobbyists are priced out of the top end of cars too, so we wouldn't be alone in that respect. Maybe we're just feeling a little entitled? (I'm in the same boat btw)

Yeah exactly, people are annoyed because they can't afford the very best. The thought of buying a GTX and roughing it with the peasants is too much to bear lol

gpuerrilla · 6 Apr 2019 at 16:42

CuriousTomCat said:
Yes it does seem that way doesn't it. I don't actually have a problem with people buying an Nvidia card every time though if that's what they want. It's their money after all. What's illogical is when they complain that RTX is too expensive but they buy one anyway. The RTX threads have people saying things like "my 2080ti was far too expensive but what the hell".

Either buy a product and be happy or don't buy it. I can't understand the mindset behind buying something when you know it's too expensive and then grumbling about it.

I will expand a step further. For your said stereotype, it progresses on to - right now I need to justify my purchase, oh look I can bash on the AMD crowd and focus on things like heat, wattage and a couple of frames per second (regardless of the nearest equivalent card costing less) and brew more pointless forum threads where people argue over pleb mainstream news as they get bored.

Go play games on your new card, regardless of what brand you bought!

Martini1991 · 6 Apr 2019 at 17:37

CuriousTomCat said:
Yeah exactly, people are annoyed because they can't afford the very best. The thought of buying a GTX and roughing it with the peasants is too much to bear lol

Affordability isn't an issue for me (Well, it probably should be, but that's being I've got savings), but I'm not suddenly going to allow myself to get ripped off by being a Vega VII/2080 etc.

TNA · 6 Apr 2019 at 17:48

CuriousTomCat said:
Yeah exactly, people are annoyed because they can't afford the very best. The thought of buying a GTX and roughing it with the peasants is too much to bear lol

I could do a Kaapstad and buy a bunch of Titan V's or T's, but I would get more pain from that then pleasure as I would feel like a took one dry from Jensen. I enjoy graphics cards and gaming, but only so much. Lucky for me I have other hobbies and could just quit gaming for a few years, come back and buy something mid range and buy all the games I missed on sales super cheap if need be. Also I don't play online and have always been happy with 30-60fps and could easily buy a console and be happy there.

The only way I would have paid the 2080 Ti asking price would have been if RTX and DLSS actually worked as it should and was a must have feature today. As it is right now they are both meh and likely will be for years to come imo.

Ross Thomson · 6 Apr 2019 at 20:55

Gregster said:
Fair one. I could always get a degree in chemistry, learn how to make LN2, build a factory, design a feeding method to make LN2 distribution easy and efficient. My fault if I can't learn this I guess (last sentence isn't meant as "self-pity)

technically its physics

nashathedog · 6 Apr 2019 at 21:10

Gregster said:
I don't think anyone cares about the cost saving, I fel it is more to do with heat generated and the noise level. More wattage = more heat = harder working fans. That has and is my issue with my 290X. Doesn't stop it being a good card but even with MSI's Twin Frozr fans, it is a noisy bugger when gaming.

Isn't that on MSI though? I also had the Twin FrozerIV 290x Gaming card and the problem was the heatsink wasn't up to the job, Apparently models like Sapphires 290x Tri-x were a lot better.