Something super is coming...

[Poneros]

Yep, PS5 Full keyboard and mouse support I'll no longer game on my PC

Well, X1 already has that so who knows. For PS4 I know there's some device that you can use with M&KB but it isn't as good as native.

 

[Grim5]

Well, X1 already has that so who knows. For PS4 I know there's some device that you can use with M&KB but it isn't as good as native.

It converts your mouse input into a analogue stick output for the console to understand.

So yes it works, I've played fortnite on PS4 with a mouse. It's hard to explain, it doesn't feel like using a mouse does on PC, its not as accurate and the range of motion is shorter if this makes sense.

 

[Rroff]

It converts your mouse input into a analogue stick output for the console to understand.

So yes it works, I've played fortnite on PS4 with a mouse. It's hard to explain, it doesn't feel like using a mouse does on PC, its not as accurate and the range of motion is shorter if this makes sense.

It is more similar to when controlling a fixed turret either mounted gun or how some tank turrets are done in some PC games, etc. the other aspect I don't like about console gaming though is there is much less potential for modding, etc.

 

[Grim5]

I know a few who did actually. I also know mates who just buy iPhones say they cost too much now,so they will keep them longer and longer since its not worth spending £1000 to keep a phone for two years. If they had been priced lower they might have just done what they used to do,ie,just get a new phone every 2 years.

But you might want to explain why two Chinese groups have gone from nowhere to literally being the 2nd and 3rd biggest phone companies in the world within 5 years.

Oppo and Vivo have almost no exposure in Europe and the US. Yet BBK is the same company which owns both them AND OnePlus and Realme. Oppo and Vivo have almost as much share as Huawei.

You take for granted Japanese and South Korean tech companies and car companies now. Go back 50 years ago,and see how they got to where they were. They aggressively priced their products and didn't segment and our companies sat on their arses(mostly).

Did you also realise Apple back in the 80s was the cheaper option?? They were cheaper than alternatives from companies like Xerox,but then got greedy and increasingly got undercut by other rivals. How did you think Microsoft ascended to the top of the PC market,Windows was the budget option compared to Macs. It wasn't a better option AFAIK.

On forums people think price has no bearing on purchasing habits. Last time I checked more people shop at Asda or Tesco than Waitrose,and Lidl and Aldi are fast growing their share due to aggressive pricing. I am sure Waitrose,M and S,and other higher end stores sell better quality products.

Edit!!

Anyway,that's enough about phones - its a GPU thread after all!!

The car companies don’t have an issue though. They just keep jacking up the price to make sure they can offer stuff others don’t. I generally buy Euro cars because the Japanese and Korean stuff can’t compete on all fronts. But at least you get something extra for what you pay - it’s not like an iPhone where you pay more and just get a different operating system. You can choose to buy an expensive car, and at least it looks good inside and out and sounds nice and is fast.

 

[TNA]

I can see a large proportion of the user base going this way. 1) the gamer now wants to just pick up and play, not for just simplicity but having family and hobbies means less time available to tinker and blow budget 2) If they can reproduce the graphics like GoW on the ps4 with weak hardware it sets the gold standard for what we expect for PC games that so often doesn't deliver for the price paid.

Yea. This is why I find it funny when people are expecting (with open arms) that nvidia will hike up prices even more with their 3000 series next year.

Either way I have already made the decision to get a PS5 and a finally upgrade my ageing Plasma next year to a VRR OLED. I recon most my gaming will be done there. Changed my mind on upgrading my monitor, going to stick with it due to this.

 

[JediFragger]

Either way I have already made the decision to get a PS5 and a finally upgrade my ageing Plasma next year to a VRR OLED. I recon most my gaming will be done there. Changed my mind on upgrading my monitor, going to stick with it due to this.

I don't know man, there's just something about PC gaming that the consoles can't replicate (or I'd go that way myself!). It's got a tough hold on me tbh, but lately downgraded mine to a Vega56 and bargain AOC 32" 1440p 75hz screen and tbh am getting 95% of the experience of my Rad7/2080Ti + expensive LG UW so i'm happy as a pig in ****

 

[madindehead]

I was just thinking about upgrading to a 2080 Ti and selling my 1080 Ti. Think I'll wait to see what this is and then make a call!

 

[Poneros]

Yea. This is why I find it funny when people are expecting (with open arms) that nvidia will hike up prices even more with their 3000 series next year.

Either way I have already made the decision to get a PS5 and a finally upgrade my ageing Plasma next year to a VRR OLED. I recon most my gaming will be done there. Changed my mind on upgrading my monitor, going to stick with it due to this.

Try out the super bright LCDs as well, it's hard to beat for HDR, even with an OLED!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The car companies don’t have an issue though. They just keep jacking up the price to make sure they can offer stuff others don’t. I generally buy Euro cars because the Japanese and Korean stuff can’t compete on all fronts. But at least you get something extra for what you pay - it’s not like an iPhone where you pay more and just get a different operating system. You can choose to buy an expensive car, and at least it looks good inside and out and sounds nice and is fast.

Japanese and South Korean companies were nowhere 50 to 60 years ago. They came out of nowhere and have a huge percentage of world sales now,and that is because they were cheaper and better specced than most of the European and US competition. The US and Europe got so scared they started putting import tariffs and quotas on Japanese cars,and Japanese firms got around it by opening factories outside Japan. Why do you think there are so many car factories owned by Japanese companies in the UK - it was to get around European import quotas and restrictions.

Half the top 10 car producers are Japanese and South Korean,and a lot of European and US car firms went bankrupt or merged together. The reason VW group managed to fight successfully was down to a lot of government assistance and multiple German car firms merging together. Audi was formed by the merger of multiple companies,then Audi merged with VW,etc. Many France car firms went bankrupt or nearly did,leading to nationalisation and formation of PSA. Renault had to merge with Nissan. GM has shut down so many of its own brands and bought up loads of others like Vauxhall and Opel. Fiat and Chrysler merged. If the Japanese and South Korean car companies had not entered the market so aggressively,most of the US and European companies would not have problems.

Also global car sales are down too,and the most popular cars sold in the UK are the Ford Focus and Fiesta. But there is a ticking timebomb with car financing debt:
https://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/car-finance-debt-breaks-new-records-2018/
https://uk.motor1.com/news/258547/british-drivers-billion-month-finance/
https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-car-finance-pcp-mortgage-market-morgan-stanley-2017-7?r=US&IR=T
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...l-contract-plans-vehicle-financial-crisis-pcp
https://webcache.googleusercontent....+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-b-d

As of 2016 it was nearly £60 billion,and most are PCP type plans with no personal deposit and where people are essentially renting the car,until they make the last big payment. At the end of 2017,over $1 trillion of loans in the US were for cars:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallm...t-shows-no-signs-of-slowing-down-infographic/


The other issue is that just like with subprime mortgages,apparently there is a much lower financial standard for car loans which could cause another financial problem.

Despite all of this the average lifespan of a car in the UK is close to 15 years before scrappage and 8 years on the road:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...uk-roads-highest-level-since-turn-millennium/
https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/sustainability/average-vehicle-age/

People are keeping cars longer and longer.

Apple iPhone sales are on a downward spiral:
https://www.channelnews.com.au/sale...-row-with-samsung-apple-up-for-big-penalties/

The much-heralded Apple iPhone X failed to sell due to the premium cost of the device and the fact that the new Samsung range of smartphones were seen as a better offering with thousands of iPhone owners choosing to stick with their current model smartphone.

This is despite most people using contracts as interest free loans to buy phones.

The problem is if cheap and easy credit starts to dry up,then so many people won't be able to afford a lot of products now. In the past consumer products were expensive,but people saved up and kept stuff for a very long time,unlike the much more disposable culture,with short lifespan products we have now which is partly fueled by easy credit.

 

[TNA]

I don't know man, there's just something about PC gaming that the consoles can't replicate (or I'd go that way myself!). It's got a tough hold on me tbh, but lately downgraded mine to a Vega56 and bargain AOC 32" 1440p 75hz screen and tbh am getting 95% of the experience of my Rad7/2080Ti + expensive LG UW so i'm happy as a pig in ****

I know what you mean. I will still get something like a RTX 3070 I recon to game on this monitor. That card should play everything in my current steam library.

I usually revit games I really like at least once which I can do so on the PC in the future as price for performance on graphics cards improves. I can then skip straight to upgrading to a microled monitor in 3-5 years time.

Try out the super bright LCDs as well, it's hard to beat for HDR, even with an OLED!

Never heard of super bright lcd. You mean the qled stuff? I have seen qled and I prefer OLED personally. Not worried about image burn in. I have not had any issues with permanent burn in on my Plasma and OLED has improved on burn in so I will be fine I think. Besides I will have 5-6 years warranty on it

 

[Poneros]

Never heard of super bright lcd. You mean the qled stuff? I have seen qled and I prefer OLED personally. Not worried about image burn in. I have not had any issues with permanent burn in on my Plasma and OLED has improved on burn in so I will be fine I think. Besides I will have 5-6 years warranty on it

Nah, I mean some models get really bright, it's a delight. Should come down for 65'' next year.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

Sounds like the older cards won't be dropping much either.

What makes you think that?

AFAICT the older cards will probably just be ditched. If a 2070 Super is faster than a 2080 (which preliminary, leaked results seemed to show) then I doubt that Nvidia will keep pushing the 'old' range, except the 2080 Ti which isn't getting a super version AFAICT.

I would expect to see the non-super versions very quickly get EOL'd.

 

[HRL]

^^^ If that's the case and the 2070S is > 2080, the 2080S will be > than the 2080Ti, and how's that going to work?!?

 

[HRL]

This now officially the most diverse thread on the forum.

There's been talk of sub-prime mortgages, guitars, cars, mobile phones, and all in thread about new Nvidia cards.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

^^^ If that's the case and the 2070S is > 2080, the 2080S will be > than the 2080Ti, and how's that going to work?!?

There was a link to the leaked figures somewhere back in this thread... the 2080S was still going to be something like 5% slower than the 2080 Ti, the 2070S was about 10% slower than the Ti and 5% faster than the existing 2080.

It could all be b******s mind, we won't know until they get properly tested!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This now officially the most diverse thread on the forum.

There's been talk of sub-prime mortgages, guitars, cars, mobile phones, and all in thread about new Nvidia cards.

The graphics card market is that interesting!!

 

[HRL]

There was a link to the leaked figures somewhere back in this thread... the 2080S was still going to be something like 5% slower than the 2080 Ti, the 2070S was about 10% slower than the Ti and 5% faster than the existing 2080.

It could all be b******s mind, we won't know until they get properly tested!

Be bizarre if those figures are correct, but wouldn’t put anything past Nvidia to make a few extra bucks!

 

[LordByron69]

This now officially the most diverse thread on the forum.

There's been talk of sub-prime mortgages, guitars, cars, mobile phones, and all in thread about new Nvidia cards.

Let me get back on subject: Super is coming next month

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Exclusive: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER pictured

https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-super-pictured

 

[TNA]

Nah, I mean some models get really bright, it's a delight. Should come down for 65'' next year.

Lol, the price tag... Oh and 8K...

As much as I would love to get 8K there will not be any content for it for a long time. I do feel like 4K is the sweet spot and will be around for a long time. I would much prefer a 8K monitor than a 8K TV anyways. 8K will mean no need for AA in most games which would be great. But I won't even get hooked into that due to how long it takes for new cards to come out these days and the silly money they want for them. Nvidia can shove their "Super" expensive refresh where the sun don't shine. 7nm+ next year is what I want to see.

MicroLED tech is what I am most interested in next.