Something super is coming...

Rofflay · 1 Jul 2019 at 19:55

Sabbath said:
I can see ebay in a few days, people selling an original 2060 and wording it as RTX 2060 Super, quick.

Super from Palit was there before Nvidia decided to call it Super is a really dumb name no doubt this will happen on Ebay. If you type Super into Google you so see Palit Super cards. 11gb of ram would have helped thats my dilemma here 8gb vs 11gb for 4k DSR gaming. I normally push high framerates with a lot of stuff like SSAO disabled so 8gb that is going to be too little maybe?

Though i am not in a good position my 1080 broke, And i have £600 budget to get a worthy upgrade with a minimum 4yr warranty. So already it looks like a dissapointment. The 2080ti is also still £1100 on sites that let you use credit as well no signs of any price moves at all grr!

Flake87 · 1 Jul 2019 at 20:33

This new card better had be special, or at a special price, because the console rumours are that they are getting better and better:

https://wccftech.com/playstation-5-apu-better-performance-gtx-1080/

kazuya1337 · 1 Jul 2019 at 21:15

A rumour on wccftech, now that has to be accurate

Grim5 · 1 Jul 2019 at 21:42

kazuya1337 said:
A rumour on wccftech, now that has to be accurate

wccftech are just reposting - the news is from Apisak and he's pretty spot on from all the Ryzen and Navi leaks he's posted in the last couple months

all Apisak said was that the PS5 devkit posted a higher 3d mark Timespy score than the GTX1080 and higher than the Vega 64.

The PS5 devkit is most likely just PC parts slap together and would include a ryzen 3000 of some variety and probably includes a Navi 5700xt.

The real PS5 doesn't exist yet because the parts don't exist, AMD is still working on that.

AMD only just filed it's Ray Tracing patent, so they are still working on 2020's Navi, which is what will be in the PS5, not the 5700xt.

And Yes the PS5 Devkit is very powerful for a console, but I wouldn't worry as a PC gamer. The 2080ti is significantly faster and we're going to get even more significantly faster in 2020 with 7nm. By the time these consoles actually launch, the gpu hardware inside will be mid range stuff at best

JonnyG1982 · 1 Jul 2019 at 22:54

Yep, seen the rumours of the PS5. Better performance for less money. It was inevitable really. This whole generation has been a complete rip off.

A console with a GTX1080 equivalent card in it with console efficiency is gonna make everything but a RTX2080ti look slow for a nice £400-550 (?) package. A better PC will cost you around £2,000 right now with its joke pricing. The sooner the new consoles land the better,

Zernath · 1 Jul 2019 at 23:10

JonnyG1982 said:
Yep, seen the rumours of the PS5. Better performance for less money. It was inevitable really. This whole generation has been a complete rip off.

A console with a GTX1080 equivalent card in it with console efficiency is gonna make everything but a RTX2080ti look slow for a nice £400-550 (?) package. A better PC will cost you around £2,000 right now with its joke pricing. The sooner the new consoles land the better,

Wait and see. I suspect the gouging will infect consoles next, there's simply no way they're going to sell those for the same price as the current generation, unless the games go up in price to offset losses made on the hardware.

JonnyG1982 · 1 Jul 2019 at 23:15

Zernath said:
Wait and see. I suspect the gouging will infect consoles next, there's simply no way they're going to sell those for the same price as the current generation, unless the games go up in price to offset losses made on the hardware.

Perhaps. Im bit biased this last year because the whole pc market has gone ***s up. Just left me and clearly others fed up. Hell look at that benchmark, assuming its correct a RTX 2070 SUPER still cant beat a GTX1080ti. Pathetic!. Barely any improvement in 2.5 years and they want us to pay the same amount for the same performance or a hell of a lot more for any actual improvement. When you hope AMD might save the day they double flop by bringing out something barely faster themselves and again at higher prices than expected. Nvidia (especially) and AMD laughing all the way to the bank.

Grim5 · 1 Jul 2019 at 23:26

JonnyG1982 said:
Yep, seen the rumours of the PS5. Better performance for less money. It was inevitable really. This whole generation has been a complete rip off.

A console with a GTX1080 equivalent card in it with console efficiency is gonna make everything but a RTX2080ti look slow for a nice £400-550 (?) package. A better PC will cost you around £2,000 right now with its joke pricing. The sooner the new consoles land the better,

Perhaps, but the new consoles are launching in November 2020 by all accounts to date. we'll have new GPU hardware from AMD and Nvidia by then, while the new consoles are stuck with their 5700xt/gtx 1080 level GPU

JonnyG1982 · 1 Jul 2019 at 23:29

Grim5 said:
Perhaps, but the new consoles are launching in November 2020 by all accounts to date. we'll have new GPU hardware from AMD and Nvidia by then, while the new consoles are stuck with their 5700xt/gtx 1080 level GPU

True, We could have the RTX3080ti by then for £2000. Or the the mid rang card RTX3070 for £1,000. Or if your a peasant a RTX3060 for £650, a no frills value card. Offering 20%/10%/5% improvements respectively

Grim5 · 1 Jul 2019 at 23:35

JonnyG1982 said:
True, We could have the RTX3080ti by then for £2000. Or the the mid rang card RTX3070 for £1,000. Or if your a peasant a RTX3060 for £650, a no frills value card. Offering 20%/10%/5% improvements respectively

Sounds like great value, I think Nvidia could price it even higher

But tbh, I'd bet a 100 pounds that the RTX3000 cards are at least 50% faster.

I don't know enough about what AMD is doing to make a judgement call for their 2020 offerings, it depends how well Navi scales into a bigger die. (although TSMC's 7nm yields fall off the cliff on big dies)

goldy6660 · 2 Jul 2019 at 07:52

It makes you wonder with all the advances in the console area just how many years they are behind now, they really should create a expandable console where you just flip out newer GPUs or RAM, I mean how often do you need to update your CPU, currently sat in a 4790k,and 32gb ram and a 2080ti, the only think that's twisting my arm is the new 3900X but even that's one upgrade in 7 years ish.

TNA · 2 Jul 2019 at 08:34

goldy6660 said:
It makes you wonder with all the advances in the console area just how many years they are behind now, they really should create a expandable console where you just flip out newer GPUs or RAM, I mean how often do you need to update your CPU, currently sat in a 4790k,and 32gb ram and a 2080ti, the only think that's twisting my arm is the new 3900X but even that's one upgrade in 7 years ish.

That won’t ever happen imo. What will happen is two upgrades per cycle. Like we had a PS4 and then PS4 Pro.

StriderX · 2 Jul 2019 at 08:42

Grim5 said:
Sounds like great value, I think Nvidia could price it even higher

But tbh, I'd bet a 100 pounds that the RTX3000 cards are at least 50% faster.

I don't know enough about what AMD is doing to make a judgement call for their 2020 offerings, it depends how well Navi scales into a bigger die. (although TSMC's 7nm yields fall off the cliff on big dies)

Why would it be 50% faster... a New node means new chance to sandbag the hell out of you, I doubt they'd waste it with the increasing cost of R&D and Fab process. But who knows.

robfosters · 2 Jul 2019 at 08:45

By the time the new consoles are released, you will be able to get a GPU that will totally kick PS5’s arse for the same money or slightly less than a PS5.

Grim5 · 2 Jul 2019 at 09:20

StriderX said:
Why would it be 50% faster... a New node means new chance to sandbag the hell out of you, I doubt they'd waste it with the increasing cost of R&D and Fab process. But who knows.

I guess they could screw it up, I’m willing to take that chance on a 100 bucks.

12nm to Sammy 7nm euv is a 50% performance per watt increase. New architecture obviously has its own gains - and even if they stuck with Turing, Turing scales incredibly well

But we’ll have to wait and see how it progresses. TSMC’s low big die yields obviously affect AMDs ability to deliver cost effictive big chips and that may happen with Samsung 7nm EUV too

ricid · 2 Jul 2019 at 09:21

JonnyG1982 said:
Yep, seen the rumours of the PS5. Better performance for less money. It was inevitable really. This whole generation has been a complete rip off.

A console with a GTX1080 equivalent card in it with console efficiency is gonna make everything but a RTX2080ti look slow for a nice £400-550 (?) package. A better PC will cost you around £2,000 right now with its joke pricing. The sooner the new consoles land the better,

Don't consoles usually sell at a loss on launch as they make up the difference on the licensing fees for games, or am I stuck in a 90s mindset?

goldy6660 · 2 Jul 2019 at 10:07

ricid said:
Don't consoles usually sell at a loss on launch as they make up the difference on the licensing fees for games, or am I stuck in a 90s mindset?

I remember Dreamcast made a massive loss, I think game cube were the same too

opethdisciple · 2 Jul 2019 at 10:34

July 2nd. Aren't we expecting something today?

Info at least.

Or am I confusing Ryzen/Navi?

FoxEye · 2 Jul 2019 at 11:10

Zernath said:
Wait and see. I suspect the gouging will infect consoles next, there's simply no way they're going to sell those for the same price as the current generation, unless the games go up in price to offset losses made on the hardware.

Yeah I can see the new consoles being £599.

Zeed · 2 Jul 2019 at 11:55

robfosters said:
By the time the new consoles are released, you will be able to get a GPU that will totally kick PS5’s arse for the same money or slightly less than a PS5.

EEE what ?? If console costs 500 and tad faster gpu is 400. You are still behind cause.. CPU Memory Motherboard PSU SSD Case keyboard and mouse. Thats extra 1000 quid....