i am fat

Avenged7Fold said:
In a thread where OP is asking for tips for weight loss, I think it does :p
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Yeah, I’d thought it was something the poster had achieved himself. While still happy for him to have lost the weight it isn’t particularly impressive anymore.

It would be better if the NHS didn’t have to waste money and resources on these sorts of operation IMHO. Should definitely be a last resort.
 
dowie said:
It would be better if the NHS didn’t have to waste money and resources on these sorts of operation IMHO. Should definitely be a last resort.
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The NHS didn't pay for my surgery, I did. And it was a last resort. Apologies that you didn't realise I wasn't the OP though.
 
6 foot and creeping back to 105 kg after managing to get down to 90 from 110! Need to sort diet and get back to the gym, plus more gin and tonic instead of lager.
 
Luke said:
...ough.
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Thanks for sharing all the information. Did you know about all the things you mentioned before the Operation? Although i am fat, I dont think I could go down this road knowing all this.

One question a bit blunt but no judgements just curious - could you not control your weight through your will power? the fact that you had problems (ie liver etc) did that not scare you into reducing your weight/changing your diet etc?
 
Lost 8lbs so far in just 5 days.

Been having fruit or a slice of toast for breakfast, soup for lunch, and reduced portions of what I'd normally eat for dinner, and I've cut out all snacking. At the pub I'm on either soda or diet coke. Probably 800 calories or so. Though I plan on doing cheat meals once a week to keep my sanity.

Previously I used to eat a meal deal for breakfast and lunch, a large dinner, and I'd snack heavily in the evening. As well as drinking probably 3 pints or more, and would have a large take away twice a week... Probably about 4000 calories or so.

Lost 2 stone like this in the past but didn't do cheat meals, so I got fed up with it and fell back into bad habits...

Ideally I should eat a bit more than I am and also start exercising.
 
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Acme said:
Lost 8lbs so far in just 5 days.
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Fantastic, well done.

Acme said:
Ideally I should eat a bit more than I am and also start exercising.
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Agreed, 800 calories isn't really sustainable I would think. Try and keep things more realistic I guess. My 'extreme' was around 1,800 calories a day, which I found quite tough, but then one meal was fairly normal. For me that made it sustainable and I did it for 3 months. I've pushed it up to around 2,200 now I'm nearer my target weight. Then again, I'm cycling 5 or 6 times a week and going to the gym twice a week too.
 
Acme said:
Lost 8lbs so far in just 5 days.
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That is good and I don't mean to pee on your parade (pun intended) but you always lose a lot in the first week due mostly to water loss, you probably noticed you peed more! :p

Energy is stored as glycogen in your liver and muscles, which is glucose combined with water. When you start the diet, the first thing your body does is burn up your glycogen, releasing all that water. That is where it gets the energy you need when you stop eating sugar/starch. The glycogen is heavy, so you will show a dramatic weight loss as you burn it. You will pee about 3-4 litres extra in those first few days. I was getting up 4 times a night for the first 3 nights.

When the glycogen is depleted, your body will start to burn fat. This is when the real weight loss happens.

You may lose around 8 pounds of water the first week, then settle into about 2 pounds of fat loss a week. If you don’t revert to your previous eating habits, this fat loss will be permanent.
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I'm just pointing this out to say don't get discouraged when that initial flush drops off and you move to a steady 1-3 lbs a week, which will be the fat loss.

Also, as i've got older i've realised that 'dieting' isn't what you need to do, as it just leads to a cycle of weight loss followed by weight gain. There is only changing your eating, and other, habits for the rest of your life to maintain your weight.

One of the most depressing things I heard recently was how the brain has an ideal weight image of our bodies that it always strives to get go....and that is based on the heaviest you have ever been! Which makes sense from an evolutionary pov, when food was scarcer, more sporadic and less energy dense, but it's now just another battle to overcome when trying to maintain a 'normal' weight.
 
I know I remember it slowing down from last time. :)

Also it might be more like 900 or 1000 calories, I forgot to count the ice coffee I like to have at work in the morning, and general tea/coffee with one sugar (down from two) throughout the day.
 
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Just cut out the sugar from brews, it won't taste nice for a few weeks but you get used to it. If you then accidentally have one with a sugar in it, it'll taste really bad!

There's no easy way to do it so just stop and persevere.
 
Sugar in tea/coffee, and potentially milk too are an excellent target to easily shave off some calories - especially if you drink a lot of them during the day. I don't feel like I could do zero sugar (certainly not in coffee) but I cut down from 2 to 1 tsp a while ago - that's instantly 50% less sugar across the many cups I have per day!

I've decided to attempt to calorie count this week to get a feel for things - will see if I bother to keep it up or not! Just using the FitBit app directly; it seems to give a good breakdown to the protein/carbs/fat split as well which will be interesting. I'm not planning on being too pedantic with it but want to double check I'm not actually consuming more than I thought!
 
IIRC 700-800 calories is what they put type 2 diabetics on for a while to try and reset them back to 'normal'. It's not a good idea for very long if you're not under medical supervision though, your body just goes into starvation mode and your metabolism drops (when I've done something similar I just felt exhausted and cold all the time). Maybe a 5/2 type diet with 2@800 and the rest at 1200-1500 might work, but when I'm in belt tightening mode I find consistent eating patterns are easier to stick to.

Not that any calorific reduction is ever particularly easy... not for a greedy git like me anyway.

uncle_rufus said:
I don't feel like I could do zero sugar (certainly not in coffee) but I cut down from 2 to 1 tsp a while ago - that's instantly 50% less sugar across the many cups I have per day!
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I don't drink booze or carbonated drinks, but I am partial to strong, sweet coffee (as my dentist will confirm). I enjoy it too much to give up, but when I'm cutting back I'll make half a cup of coffee with one sugar rather than a whole cup with two.

uncle_rufus said:
I've decided to attempt to calorie count this week to get a feel for things
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Calorie guestimating's 'easy' after a while. If it tastes nice, it's got too many calories. ;-) The very best thing about cutting back on fat and sugar generally is how great things like a decent apple taste. Kind of puts your palate back to pre-industrial times when harvest was a thing of real joy. But that doesn't stop me going back to the Hobnobs as soon as I've hit my target weight. Life is one long temptation!
 
I don't really drink enough booze for it to be a problem (I might have one bottle/can of ale or something on a Saturday evening but typically just the one)... do enjoy a coke or whatever but only if we've gone out somewhere, rarely buy anything like that for home. I'll sometimes have a glass of squash or some fruit juice though, and lately I've been trying to drink a lot more water (mostly because I was getting headaches a bit too regularly, figured I must be more dehydrated than I realise - early impressions are I was right!) so generally just drink that, though I'll probably also have 3-5 cups of tea/coffee across the day as well...

The biggest pain for me with the calorie thing is having to work out home cooked meals. I suppose I just have to find out the stats for each ingredient separately but it's a bit of a pain to do, and we eat something made from scratch every day except for occasionally at the weekend where we might be out or just want something a bit easier to stick in the oven
 
Andrew_McP said:
IIRC 700-800 calories is what they put type 2 diabetics on for a while to try and reset them back to 'normal'. It's not a good idea for very long if you're not under medical supervision though, your body just goes into starvation mode and your metabolism drops (when I've done something similar I just felt exhausted and cold all the time). Maybe a 5/2 type diet with 2@800 and the rest at 1200-1500 might work, but when I'm in belt tightening mode I find consistent eating patterns are easier to stick to.
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To be honest I'm not finding it particularly difficult, im certainly not starving all day, just start to feel hungry leading up to meal times, which lets be honest is fairly normal!

I do no exercise at all... Walking around the office, walking around my house, thats honestly about it. I don't go to the gym, I dont walk anywhere (not necessarily out of sheer laziness, but simply because nowhere I go is within a 20 - 30 minute walk, so I just hop in the car by default...) I've been meaning to join a gym for years but I feel like even if I join up I would never go!
 
ChrisD. said:
6 foot and creeping back to 105 kg after managing to get down to 90 from 110! Need to sort diet and get back to the gym, plus more gin and tonic instead of lager.
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Similar to me, although i'm a little taller.

I went from 117kg down to around 90kg and felt that was an ideal weight for me but now hovering around 107kg. My running has really taken a hit where i'm going from 8:30min/miles to around 10min/miles just due to the extra weight :(


Acme said:
To be honest I'm not finding it particularly difficult, im certainly not starving all day, just start to feel hungry leading up to meal times, which lets be honest is fairly normal!

I do no exercise at all... Walking around the office, walking around my house, thats honestly about it. I don't go to the gym, I dont walk anywhere (not necessarily out of sheer laziness, but simply because nowhere I go is within a 20 - 30 minute walk, so I just hop in the car by default...) I've been meaning to join a gym for years but I feel like even if I join up I would never go!
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This is a big thing for me and i think what started my weight gain. I went from working in Manchester where i'd have a ~10min walk to/from the station at each end and then i'd walk around the centre in my dinner breaks.

Then i moved to working in an industrial estate and i just wake up, drive to work, sit at my desk, drive home and then sit on the sofa. If i don't consciously go for a walk/run i usually end up around 2000 steps per day.

Is there anywhere nice you can go on your way home and just add a short walk? Stick a podcast or music on and it's lovely to just walk down a canal or something. Especially since you're down south you'll have a nicer experience than the wind/rain we get up here :p
 
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uncle_rufus said:
I don't really drink enough booze for it to be a problem (I might have one bottle/can of ale or something on a Saturday evening but typically just the one)... do enjoy a coke or whatever but only if we've gone out somewhere, rarely buy anything like that for home. I'll sometimes have a glass of squash or some fruit juice though, and lately I've been trying to drink a lot more water (mostly because I was getting headaches a bit too regularly, figured I must be more dehydrated than I realise - early impressions are I was right!) so generally just drink that, though I'll probably also have 3-5 cups of tea/coffee across the day as well...

The biggest pain for me with the calorie thing is having to work out home cooked meals. I suppose I just have to find out the stats for each ingredient separately but it's a bit of a pain to do, and we eat something made from scratch every day except for occasionally at the weekend where we might be out or just want something a bit easier to stick in the oven
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The calorie counting thing is a pain at first (especially with home cooked meals) but when you start to get log properly you know how many calories are in xxxgrams of meat, xxxgrams of pasta etc. It helps to "reset" your understanding of how many calories are in a portion of something.
 
Acme said:
even if I join up I would never go!
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I think this will be your biggest issue. Not 'not going to the gym' but perhaps the lack of will power? I've started listening to a few health related podcasts while I cycle and one of them said will power has been proven to work like a muscle - the more it's successfully used, the stronger it becomes. It was then explained to just sit and click your fingers 50 times. This will increase your will power! I don't know how much I believe all that, but I do feel that if I had to put my finger on one thing that has allowed me to lose all my weight, it would be will power.

Another point made is people say sometimes they don't have the time for the gym, or jogging, or cycling. It was rephrased as you're not prepared to give up time doing something else to commit the time to the gym, jogging or cycling, which I thought was an interesting point. (Well, that one was actually about learning to code, but I think the principal is the same)
 
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