Rumour: AMD's 4096 Shader Big Navi in Q4 2019?

[james.miller]

Old article.

Everything points towards arcturus being a Vega 20 based workstation compute card. It's not a replacement for navi.

 

[4K8KW10]

Everything points towards arcturus being a Vega 20 based workstation compute card. It's not a replacement for navi.

It's not supposed to be a replacement. But a tier above.

It's possible that Arcturus could be a limited edition gaming card, but it is also true that you won't see a Navi 20 as so called big Navi.
The numerical order x0 - the 0 means the largest chip in that generation.

If there is something between Navi and Arcturus, it won't be Navi 20, but something whose name we haven't seen yet.

 

[james.miller]

Its Vega-based, meaning its GCN. It's not RDNA and not a replacement or a tier above navi - it's a different card aimed at a different market.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Arcturus-Linux-Driver-Patches

AMD Sends Out Linux Graphics Driver Patches For "Arcturus" As New Vega Derived GPU


Remember last September when that AMD Arcturus codename dropped in our forums for what at first appeared to be a successor to Navi but later clarified to be used as a Linux driver enablement codename? Well, the Linux kernel driver patches for this "Arcturus" GPU have just been posted.

This Radeon Arcturus support comes just a few weeks after the Radeon RX 5000 "Navi" Linux driver support was posted. But indeed this "Arcturus" part isn't based on Navi but rather a new swing on Vega based on Vega 20 in part. And we haven't heard of "Arcturus" at any recent AMD events nor from leaks on the more Windows focused sites.

So what is Arcturus? Betting on a soon-to-be-announced workstation card we'd bet could be announced as soon as SIGGRAPH. Remember just days ago we spotted a new AMD "GFX908" targetadded to the AMDGPU LLVM shader compiler code. GFX908 is a new Vega target not paired with an existing graphics card. It points to workstation due to ECC memory and other attributes.

We've also heard from AMD directly at the Navi event and E3 over their plans to continue to use Vega+HBM when it comes to workstation/compute offerings as Vega is still quite good in that regard.

So all things considered, Arcturus appears to be a forthcoming Vega workstation "Radeon Instinct" type offering we'd be could be announced at SIGGRAPH or Hot Chips based on the timing. Digging through this code drop today, it further points at a compute accelerator without any 3D support, "It's because Arcturus has not 3D engine."

Arcuturus isn't a small change over Vega 20 but amounts to 102 patches to the AMDGPU kernel driver and 100,491 lines of new code. Granted, lots of that new code is auto-generated header files for the registers.

Interesting to the code it does reveal a "VCN2.5" Video Core Next implementation and there are just three device IDs added for Arcturus GPUs.

More details as they come to light. Given the timing, this Arcturus code will likely be merged for Linux 5.4 considering we're already through week one of the Linux 5.3 merge window.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

I think Big Navi - Navi 20 - 4096 sounds about right - Q4 2019 noise but Q2 2020 release = above 2080Ti perf (but not by much) the ? how much cos if AMD get that right they could cause a whole heap of trouble for Nvidia

Omg this can't come soon enough the high end GPU market has been such a dismal place of late with crypto miners, stock shortages, price gorging and anti-consumer practices at every opportunity looking to fleece gamers.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

I think Big Navi - Navi 20 - 4096 sounds about right - Q4 2019 noise but Q2 2020 release = above 2080Ti perf (but not by much) the ? how much cos if AMD get that right they could cause a whole heap of trouble for Nvidia

Would have to be HBM based to keep it under 300w tpd

 

[opethdisciple]

From hints buildzoid & Jay2cents have said that CES2020 will be the date the bigger GPUs will be out. That means well into March next year to see them.

And I hope AMD & Nvidia come with a big indium soldered IHS for the next 7nm chips, because 251mm^2 is too small surface to cool 200W effectively on air.

March next year.... lining up nicely for new GPU's come April 202 (Cyberpunk 2077).

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Like I said before, rumored 5800 series incoming. But it aint "Big Navi".
https://www.techpowerup.com/257761/...avi-12-silicon-to-power-radeon-rx-5800-series

Question will be if the 5800 will compete against the 2080S or 2080 ti.
IMO, it's going to be 2080 Super.

I have not doubt that the 5800 will trounce the 2080 Super causing Nvidia to release the 2080 Super Duper Edition. Just to maintain their price point.

 

[humbug]

Like I said before, rumored 5800 series incoming. But it aint "Big Navi".
https://www.techpowerup.com/257761/...avi-12-silicon-to-power-radeon-rx-5800-series

Question will be if the 5800 will compete against the 2080S or 2080 ti.
IMO, it's going to be 2080 Super.

I have not doubt that the 5800 will trounce the 2080 Super causing Nvidia to release the 2080 Super Duper Edition. Just to maintain their price point.

RTX 2080 Super++

 

[pmc25]

Like I said before, rumored 5800 series incoming. But it aint "Big Navi".
https://www.techpowerup.com/257761/...avi-12-silicon-to-power-radeon-rx-5800-series

Question will be if the 5800 will compete against the 2080S or 2080 ti.
IMO, it's going to be 2080 Super.

I have not doubt that the 5800 will trounce the 2080 Super causing Nvidia to release the 2080 Super Duper Edition. Just to maintain their price point.

A 64CU Navi will likely sit somewhere between the two in performance. In games that like Navi, it might just about beat the Ti. Though that assumes there aren't scaling issues.

I'd assume a 64CU Navi chip would be somewhere between 325-340mm2. They could price that extremely competitively.

Some people seem to be hoping it'll be on 7nm EUV. Zero chance, I'd say, unless it's pushed out to Q2 2020.

 

[4K8KW10]

Like I said before, rumored 5800 series incoming. But it aint "Big Navi".
https://www.techpowerup.com/257761/...avi-12-silicon-to-power-radeon-rx-5800-series

Question will be if the 5800 will compete against the 2080S or 2080 ti.
IMO, it's going to be 2080 Super.

I have not doubt that the 5800 will trounce the 2080 Super causing Nvidia to release the 2080 Super Duper Edition. Just to maintain their price point.

It's probably fake information. Navi 12 should be a smaller GPU with RX 580/ RX 590 performance and the new features of RDNA 1.0.

A new mobile GPU with RDNA 1.0?!

 

[EastCoastHandle]

It's probably fake information. Navi 12 should be a smaller GPU with RX 580/ RX 590 performance and the new features of RDNA 1.0.

A new mobile GPU with RDNA 1.0?!

Post by Scott Herkelmanat AMD:

My commitment to you and the community per my other thread is for our next gen high end GPU launch - we will provide multiple options and choices. With my good friend Frank on board now at AMD we will make sure to have options for you guys. The feedback has been great, and dare I say plentiful. We are an underdog, and we are hungry to do the right thing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...ure/euu7fgd?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Nah, AMD is set to announce some sort of higher end card before end of this year. I believe the rumor for now. This time around AIBs will have their cards ready for the 5800 series.

 

[4K8KW10]

Post by Scott Herkelmanat AMD:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...ure/euu7fgd?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Nah, AMD is set to announce some sort of higher end card before end of this year. I believe the rumor for now. This time around AIBs will have their cards ready for the 5800 series.

The mobile Polaris 11 is already 936 days old and counting, Polaris 10 is already 833 days old and counting. And these are the highest-end propositions from AMD in the notebooks market.

So, when new AMD mobile GPUs?!?

 

[s6545]

Like I said before, rumored 5800 series incoming. But it aint "Big Navi".
https://www.techpowerup.com/257761/...avi-12-silicon-to-power-radeon-rx-5800-series

Question will be if the 5800 will compete against the 2080S or 2080 ti.
IMO, it's going to be 2080 Super.

I have not doubt that the 5800 will trounce the 2080 Super causing Nvidia to release the 2080 Super Duper Edition. Just to maintain their price point.

Funny. But I think they'd just cut the price of the overpriced RTX 2080 TI (and still make a considerable profit anyway).

I expect Nvidia is feverishly working on 7nm GPUs for 2020 to compete with AMD's new chips.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

The mobile Polaris 11 is already 936 days old and counting, Polaris 10 is already 833 days old and counting. And these are the highest-end propositions from AMD in the notebooks market.

So, when new AMD mobile GPUs?!?

Hmm, there some rustling in the wind about Intel capabilities of 10nm for their mobile chips and it having some sort of effect on AMD's position of their APUs. Other then that I not heard anything else.
I wouldn't be surprise if AMD is simply not ready to announce yet until 2020.

Funny. But I think they'd just cut the price of the overpriced RTX 2080 TI (and still make a considerable profit anyway).

I'm sure that's a last resort. And would assume that Nvidia would have to inform their Board/Shareholders before time as part of their forecasting into 2021.

I expect Nvidia is feverishly working on 7nm GPUs for 2020 to compete with AMD's new chips.

Well, not in the same way. For Nvidia, going lower doesn't add anything to their IP(s). I am sure that even at 7nm it will still be a pretty large die size. Right now, though, they simply don't have anything to offer other then just a die shrink.

 

[4K8KW10]

Hmm, there some rustling in the wind about Intel capabilities of 10nm for their mobile chips and it having some sort of effect on AMD's position of their APUs. Other then that I not heard anything else.
I wouldn't be surprise if AMD is simply not ready to announce yet until 2020.

AMD doesn't offer anything competitive neither against the 6-core intel mobile i7, nor against the nvidia mobile graphics army:
(the highest AMD product is ranked 68th):



https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

 

[s6545]

If AMD can offer a high end GPU for the same 'performance per £' of the current RX 5000 series (The XT is quite powerful for just a 9 teraflop GPU), I'm sold. I won't feel like I'm wasting money on a GPU that will be obsolete in a couple of years.

I noticed a lot of people saying that teraflops don't really matter when it comes to calculating GPU performance, imo this isn't really true for Navi GPUs as the architecture seems to be much more efficient than Vega.

I don't think a short twitter post counts as evidence of the Radeon RX 5800 series / 'Navi 12' being ready soon. Hopefully, there will be more news soon.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

AMD doesn't offer anything competitive neither against the 6-core intel mobile i7, nor against the nvidia mobile graphics army:
(the highest AMD product is ranked 68th):

I think AMD concentration may have been on other projects. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, won't help though.
Furthermore, it's rumored that ARM is trying to get their chip out into that space as well. So you have Intel, ARM, AMD trying to compete for SoC in the mobile market in 2020. Which is when I think AMD should announce something.

I don't think a short twitter post counts as evidence of the Radeon RX 5800 series / 'Navi 12' being ready soon. Hopefully, there will be more news soon.

https://www.techpowerup.com/257761/...avi-12-silicon-to-power-radeon-rx-5800-series

 

[s6545]

Yeah, I've seen that, it doesn't confirm anything else. The Navi 12 could still end up being a low end GPU.

The poster KOMACHI doesn't say why he/she thinks Navi 12 is a big GPU. I don't mean to P.iss on the GPU news bonfire...

 

[Zernath]

I think Big Navi - Navi 20 - 4096 sounds about right - Q4 2019 noise but Q2 2020 release = above 2080Ti perf (but not by much) the ? how much cos if AMD get that right they could cause a whole heap of trouble for Nvidia

Omg this can't come soon enough the high end GPU market has been such a dismal place of late with crypto miners, stock shortages, price gorging and anti-consumer practices at every opportunity looking to fleece gamers.

We can dream can't we!

 

[Hades]

I'm going with:

5600 and 5800 in Q4 2019
5900 XT Ti Super Big Navi in 2020

Arcturus being the successor to Vega for compute but without significant GPU capabilities (the clue is in the name - Vega and Arcturus both being stars, with Arcturus being a much, much larger star than Vega).