Irrational rage from slower vehicles at traffic lights

kurosagi01 said:
-No clue where they are going (if they never driven on that particular road then fine)
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This is something I try to be tolerant of - I'm not the hottest at reading road layouts I'm not familiar with myself and sometimes there is only arrows on the road itself which might be obscured by vehicles on top of them leading to confusion, etc. here for instance:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.0...4!1sVhVPXzsS2To1syImKO4ZfQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

If going straight on you have to use the right hand lane but it is only marked by that one set of arrows with no signs while the roundabout immediately before it you can use both lanes to go straight over so it would be easy for anyone new to the area to be confused.
 
Hotwired said:
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You're not talking about driving into the opposite lane to get enough clearance to enter a parking bay on your side of the road are you...
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Nope i'm talking about people driving the wrong way in a one way car park.
I told a guy off few weeks back as I was about to set off as it looked clear in the direction where I should expect a car coming but then quickly noticed a car coming the other way so I had stop abruptly and honked at the guy.
The guy looked very confused and I even pointed to him the road markings in car park is pointing the other way.

Rroff said:
This is something I try to be tolerant of - I'm not the hottest at reading road layouts I'm not familiar with myself and sometimes there is only arrows on the road itself which might be obscured by vehicles on top of them leading to confusion, etc. here for instance:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.0...4!1sVhVPXzsS2To1syImKO4ZfQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

If going straight on you have to use the right hand lane but it is only marked by that one set of arrows with no signs while the roundabout immediately before it you can use both lanes to go straight over so it would be easy for anyone new to the area to be confused.
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This I try to tolerate aswell as I do drive a little bit slower in places i'm not familiar with and the sat-nav isn't very clear or there is an unexpected change on the road that the nav didn't pick up on. (Like accident or road works or even complete change of road markings)
 
@Rroff I'm on phone so CBA with editing the quote

No, I'm not like that at all, my post was really a joke, my car is a bit slow to get the power down and it's old so the perception is that I won't go to NSL. I don't speed way past the speed limit and I don't impede traffic flow. I do however have the disadvantage of low acceleration so unfortunately it's a pain for me, as well as those following, to get to 60 (around 12 secs I think).
 
PCM2 said:
I drive a high-performance electric vehicle. I always stick to the speed limits (honest). But if I'm first at the lights, there aren't lots of pedestrians about and the road ahead is clear I will certainly use that performance to get up to the speed limit quickly.

I did this today in a 50mph zone. I quietly and effortlessly got up to that speed and stuck to it, cruising along for about 10 seconds with other vehicles far behind me. The next thing I know, one of the vehicles behind me (a white van) decides to undertake me at what must've been at least 80mph. He applied his brakes hard to slow down for a Truvelo camera and sped up again once he had cleared that. He continued to weave in and out of traffic ahead that was likely doing the speed limit.

I am curious whether others with high performance vehicles (electric or combustion) have experienced this sort of reckless neanderthal-style behaviour? This doesn't happen very often and fortunately most drivers have a bit more sense and self-control. But I have experienced this in the past as well. And not from a man in a white van, but from a middle-aged woman in a small hatchback.
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Sounds like you were in the wrong lane.

If someone is able to undertake... you are lane hogging.

And that is punishable by a fine and 3 points... so you are just as wrong as the speeder.
 
kurosagi01 said:
-Always seem to be in a hurry *this is a major problem in my opinion*
-Van drivers driving like they are driving a supercar
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The rest of what you've said is entirely accurate, but these two seem to be the two biggest problems I think. If people just chilled out a little and wasn't in such a hurry all the time then everything would work so much better. Ever since I started sitting behind lorries on motorways I've found driving a whole lot less stressful and honestly, it doesn't really add all that much time to any of my trips either. An extra 15 minutes or so on a 150 mile drive is really no big deal when it's more or less a stress-free experience.

As for van drivers, I really don't get what their problem is. So many of them seem to drive like absolute tools which is dangerous in itself but when they're driving a vehicle that's much bigger and potentially carrying much more weight than cars it makes them even bigger tools.
 
crinkleshoes said:
Sounds like you were in the wrong lane.

If someone is able to undertake... you are lane hogging.

And that is punishable by a fine and 3 points... so you are just as wrong as the speeder.
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It's quite easy to undertake somebody if you're going massively over the speed limit.

And it isn't really about being right or wrong, it's about being a downright dangerous moron. I was very far ahead of any traffic except for one speeding van I could clearly see gaining on me rapidly in the left lane. Do you think it's a clever idea to join that lane in front of said motorist? And do you think being in the right hand lane inconveniencing nobody except a speeding moron driving completely recklessly is as bad or "wrong" as the actions of that motorist?
 
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PCM2 said:
It's quite easy to undertake somebody if you're going massively over the speed limit.

And it isn't really about being right or wrong, it's about being a down-right dangerous moron. I was very far ahead of any traffic except for one speeding van I could clearly see gaining on me rapidly in the left lane. Do you think it's a clever idea to join that lane in front of said motorist? And do you think being in the right hand lane inconveniencing nobody except a speeding moron driving completely recklessly is as bad or "wrong" as the actions of that motorist?
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Your choice of lane position was impeding the flow of traffic, whether the other motorist(s) were speeding or not.

That is known as “inciting” a traffic offence... which is another point worthy traffic infraction.
 
crinkleshoes said:
Your choice of lane position was impeding the flow of traffic, whether the other motorist(s) were speeding or not.

That is known as “inciting” a traffic offence... which is another point worthy traffic infraction.
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Utter nonsense. You're just digging a hole here. So I made this guy drive 30mph+ above the speed limit just ahead of a speed camera? I made him then continue to do so after the speed camera, also weaving in and out of traffic further ahead in an extremely dangerous fashion? I don't think so. Also, you can stop preaching traffic legislation at me. The police would have no interest whatsoever in somebody who was driving in quiet Sunday traffic in the right lane rather than putting themselves infront of somebody speeding in the left lane. I'd know, I used to work with traffic officers. Circumstances also matter, things aren't quite as black and white as you're trying to make out.
 
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The point I think he’s making is that you should have switched to lane 1 after you got past the traffic, that way the man in a van / anyone wanting to speed would be able to pass in lane 2.

As he said, you remained in lane 2 and the only way past was to undertake. The fact he slammed on for a camera and weaves between traffic is normal for a man in a van :p
 
EVH said:
The point I think he’s making is that you should have switched to lane 1 after you got past the traffic, that way the man in a van / anyone wanting to speed would be able to pass in lane 2.

As he said, you remained in lane 2 and the only way past was to undertake. The fact he slammed on for a camera and weaves between traffic is normal for a man in a van :p
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Yes that's fair enough, I got that and that bit is understood. Although I'm not really interested in the undertaking bit or which lane he was in. I'm more interested in what triggered the speeding behaviour. Why was he driving perfectly normally until that point? If I was in the left lane and he overtook I would've posted this all the same and asked the same question. I guess it could've just been that he was in traffic before, then suddenly there's an open road and higher speed limit. So he decided to let loose. But I've observed this behaviour before (with an overtake not undertake) from somebody not in a white van. I've been at these lights many times and not accelerated rapidly or been in a position to do so and have never seen this sort of thing. Could just be a coincidence, but I think there's a bit more to it.
 
Because it's a white van man. They're mostly driven by complete tools - not always, but mostly. You didn't do anything wrong to incite or justify that behaviour, the driver was just a moron. Just like the vast majority of other people on the roads.
 
Happens to me often, I drive in the left lane for most of the journey and then give myself plenty of time to turn right by getting in the right lane, it's almost always the case that people tailgate or undertake because they can't stand to do the speed limit for 30 seconds.

Used to it now I just chuckle to myself as they progress absolutely no where into the next car or red lights but the fact this happens nearly every day just shows how many impatient, self important, short sighted people there are on the road
 
Phemo said:
Because it's a white van man.
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exactly inavriably its the people in the works van - thrashing them - a local building company, Norman and something - one crashed off of a local bend 6months back .. remarkably all of their company vans are poorly driven.

kurosagi01 said:
Nope i'm talking about people driving the wrong way in a one way car park.
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local car park was recently made one way .. but if you back out of a space without looking both ways you will be responsible .. it's not a highway ?

Latest model3 tesla .. presumably the police can request for Tesla to decode the sd card with the telemetry if you are in any kind of incident ?
 
Lopéz said:
I often encounter this on motorway slip roads too.

I join the M1 at J22 every morning. The roundabout is traffic light controlled, so you usually go from a standing start up the slip road.
Cars accelerate from the lights and up the slip in glacial fashion - by the end of the slip it's lucky if they are even approaching 50 let alone 70. This makes it extremely tricky for any cars following to gap themselves and merge safely.

If my 67bhp Fiesta can hit 70 well before the end of the slip without having to thrash the knackers off it, then most modern traffic shouldn't be struggling either.
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This. Why do people insist on crawling onto a 70MPH limit motorway? You see that down slope joining the motorway? Guess what, it's there to aid you to get up to speed with traffic you are about to merge with! It's not some rollercoaster vertical drop that your about to be thrown down at high g-force. It's lucky the drivers on the motorway generally switch lanes to allow this train of snails to merge.
 
HoneyBadger said:
You should have moved over to the left lane.
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Correct, but I didn't like the insinuation I caused the driver to drive in the manner he did because of that. Or that somehow it was "just as bad". Driving in the right lane with nobody but a speeding fool anywhere near you is not as bad as being that speeding fool. I should've moved over to the left earlier, but I wasn't the one endangering multiple lives nor was I causing any inconvenience or difficulty to law-abiding motorists. If I was in the left lane the only difference is he would've overtaken and continued to be a reckless moron.

Anyway, this thread has been interesting. I'm still not entirely convinced he didn't feel the need to speed excessively because he was a long way behind shortly after the lights went green and somehow felt inadequate. I don't know, my mind doesn't work that way thankfully. But it could well have just been that he would've driven that way due to the open road and speed limit. I'll never know, just wanted to see if others had experieced this sort of thing specifically after rapid acceleration away from traffic lights.
 
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Rroff said:
This is something I try to be tolerant of - I'm not the hottest at reading road layouts I'm not familiar with myself and sometimes there is only arrows on the road itself which might be obscured by vehicles on top of them leading to confusion, etc. here for instance:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.0...4!1sVhVPXzsS2To1syImKO4ZfQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

If going straight on you have to use the right hand lane but it is only marked by that one set of arrows with no signs while the roundabout immediately before it you can use both lanes to go straight over so it would be easy for anyone new to the area to be confused.
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There's a stretch of the A500 going through Newcastle which has 3 or 4 roundabouts in a row where every one of them has a different set-up for which lane you need to use to go straight on. And, as per your example, they're all only displayed in (worn) arrows on the road itself.
 
He was a moron, but you were also in the wrong. Get over to the left and let them get on with it.
 
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