Surreal thing happened to me today...

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Early this evening, I left work and walked a couple of miles to the coach stop as I do every day.

It’s in London, Puddle dock, behind Blackfriars train station as I commute from Kent.

Standing there waiting, it becomes apparent there is a situation occurring, a policeman has stopped an electric scooter rider for illegally riding his device, only the rider, a huge guy isn’t having any of it.

At this point people are watching, phones come out, everyone’s filming. As the situation unfolds, it’s clear the policeman is out of his depth and a major scuffle breaks out as the officer tries to detain the rider, the rider doesn’t want to be detained so keeps trying to walk off, eventually dragging the officer along the ground, with the officer shouting.

In what seems like an instant, they’re in front of me fighting, the officer is losing.

I look around, is someone going to help?

No. All people are doing are watching, filming and a few are laughing.

As the officer hits the floor, I make eye contact with him, suddenly I realise my fellow passengers are gone, moved up the road and it’s just me!

What do you do?

I stepped in to assist.

Fortunately I was in a position to restrain the rider (thanks Ju Jitsu!) and subdue him with the officer until backup arrived. The officer hit a panic button and within 2 mins several police cars were on the scene.

They arrested the rider, took a statement from me and several others, the assaulted officer shook my hand and thanked me, although he had a broken finger.

I then jumped on the coach and went home.

I was talking about it this evening to my wife when I got home and she replied that she wouldn’t know how to react in such a situation, I get that but ....

This was 16:35 in London, loads of people were there, loads. I was the only one that helped and it’s genuinely shocked me.

What has society come to? When people would either watch, film or walk away from someone who needed help?

Forget that it was a policeman, it was a human being needing help...

Restore some of my faith in humanity, who would have helped?
 
I'd say well done for stepping in.

The problem is for most people I think, is you don't know if this person has a knife or something, and you're putting your own life in danger.
 
It's either get involved at possible risk knowing time could be spent afterwards giving a statement, or upload to social media as fast as possible for comments and attention in order to receive the tiny endorphin hit they're probably partially hooked on?
 
I agree with your concern about the way people's first instinct is to just watch a policeman struggle and film it.

However, in some ways, it's beyond comprehension that people do things like that knowing full well it'll be filmed by a dozen independent witnesses.

TBF, the government should give up on CCTV expenditure and just subsidise smart phones, then they've got an ever present and reactive CCTV system. :D
 
I think the majority of us don't have Ju Jitsu training.

I'm not sure flapping around and getting killed would really help anyone.
 
If the copper gets hurt during the scuffle then he's covered and has an army of people behind him to aid him and sort his finances out. You get hurt helping said copper then you're basically ****** and left to sort it out yourself. And on top of that, you could end up getting taken to the cleaners by the guy who you helped him to subdue and arrest.
 
Classic bystander effect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbooLlanJ-M

Good on you for helping, though.

That’s an interesting video and scarily accurate based on my thoughts today.


I think the majority of us don't have Ju Jitsu training.

I'm not sure flapping around and getting killed would really help anyone.

I’m no Bruce Lee or He-Man. I’m a 40 year old fat bloke who got to brown belt 20 years ago. Some of it did come back to me though.

If the copper gets hurt during the scuffle then he's covered and has an army of people behind him to aid him and sort his finances out. You get hurt helping said copper then you're basically ****** and left to sort it out yourself. And on top of that, you could end up getting taken to the cleaners by the guy who you helped him to subdue and arrest.

I understand what you’re saying, genuinely but what about the basics of human decency?

It’s a crazy world.
 
I understand what you’re saying, genuinely but what about the basics of human decency?

It’s a crazy world.

You're asking someone to intervene to arrest someone riding an electric scooter on a pavement.

No thanks. The police can try to enforce that. I'm not risking anything to stop that.

Also doesn't sound like the rider was physically assaulting the officer anyway. The police officer broke their own finger but will now pin it on the guy.

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I said on a pavement above, probably wasn't even on that. Simply illegal to use it in public anywhere (including roads) it seems.
 
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That’s an interesting video and scarily accurate based on my thoughts today.

I’m no Bruce Lee or He-Man. I’m a 40 year old fat bloke who got to brown belt 20 years ago. Some of it did come back to me though.

I understand what you’re saying, genuinely but what about the basics of human decency?

It’s a crazy world.
You said the guy was huge and the police officer started the fight over a scooter. And the huge guy was trying to leave without a fight at first.

And you're asking why I wouldn't get myself killed over this?
 
Good on you for stepping in, but I can definitely say I would not want to be involved. I would want to help the copper out, but I know full well I am no use in a fight so I'd probably stay clear.

That plus I don't usually carry around my keyboard.
 
You're asking someone to intervene to arrest someone riding an electric scooter on a pavement.

No thanks. The police can try to enforce that. I'm not risking anything to stop that.

Also doesn't sound like the rider was physically assaulting the officer anyway. The police officer broke their own finger but will now pin it on the guy.
Hey there champ.

OP said:
As the situation unfolds, it’s clear the policeman is out of his depth and a major scuffle breaks out as the officer tries to detain the rider, the rider doesn’t want to be detained so keeps trying to walk off, eventually dragging the officer along the ground, with the officer shouting.

In what seems like an instant, they’re in front of me fighting, the officer is losing.

LOL at FoxEye intentionally misunderstanding the fairly straight forward concept being explained in the OP. We get that you would not get involved, you don't have to twist the story to excuse your reluctance to help someone out.
 
As the situation unfolds, it’s clear the policeman is out of his depth and a major scuffle breaks out as the officer tries to detain the rider, the rider doesn’t want to be detained so keeps trying to walk off, eventually dragging the officer along the ground, with the officer shouting.

Doesn't sound like a fight to me.

More like a desperate attempt at an arrest.
 
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