Another "deeply disturbed" column from the Murdoch stable.

[Caracus2k]

Ah I understand. You're not voicing opinion on his character assassination

Correct

which I now ask if you agree with?

I can't read the full source article as its behind a pay wall but I can't say I particulary disagree with the bits I can read.

No teenager is more freakishly influential than Greta Thunberg, the deeply disturbed messiah of the global warming movement.

Her influence is about to grow even more outsized and not just because the 16-year-old Swede has been nominated for the Nobel prize.

Thunberg has announced she’s finally going to the United States, the last bastion of the heathen, to preach the global warming faith to the Americans.

Of course, she’s going by racing yacht, because she refuses to fly and heat the planet with an aeroplane’s global warming gasses.

That typical refusal to compromise is guaranteed to help create another round of frantic media hype for Thunberg, who is one of the most astonishing Messianic figures in world history — and I don’t mean that in a good way.

I have never seen a girl so young and with so many mental disorders treated by so many adults as a guru.

No sure I agree with the characterisation of his piece "mocking" her diagnosis(es)

but stating that she shouldn't be immune to criticism of her ideas? That I also agree with.
It was the personal insults which are not warranted at either a child or adult, but as it was at a child "us adults" should step in to state it is unacceptable to insult anyone, let alone a child. Criticism of ideas is not encompassed under that.

I would agree that personal insults are to be avoided but your original post seemed to be saying she should not be subject to harsh public criticism because she's a child? Politicians and political figures are frequently subjected to harsh ridicule and criticism and this is often personal in nature. Therefore I am not at all inclined to accept exceptions for certain people on account of them being 16 but yet still seeking and obtaining such high profile and audience

 

[NVP]

I would agree that personal insults are to be avoided but your original post seemed to be saying she should not be subject to harsh public criticism because she's a child?

Oh no, I wasn't saying that. Critisim of ideas is how the world improves, but we can do it nicely

 

[Minusorange]

it's not even included yet

He's not only talking about INM-CM5 though he includes INM-CM4 as most accurate which is included as you said yourself, so my point still stands, why is the most accurate model not weighted accordingly vs the numerous inaccurate models on CMIP5 and likely won't be weighted on CMIP6 either

 

[stockhausen]

They do have a point though, we shouldn't be taking climate advice from a 16 year old with autism and no scientific credentials

Since you are probably over 16 years old and for all anyone knows may even have scientific credentials, what is your advice on dealing with climate change?

 

[Minusorange]

Since you are probably over 16 years old and for all anyone knows may even have scientific credentials, what is your advice on dealing with climate change?

Population control

 

[robgmun]

Someone told me that 24 months ago...

Some told me that 24 years ago. Climate change activists have been telling us it's the end of the world is soon since i was born. And lol at the politicians taking a brainwashed 16-year-old word like she's the new Jesus Christ, its quite embarrassing

 

[Tony Edwards]

They do have a point though, we shouldn't be taking climate advice from a 16 year old with autism and no scientific credentials

Should we be taking it from the many scientists that tells us we have a major problem then or just ignore all the evidence?

telling us it's the end of the world is soon since i was born.

Maybe there is a link there.

 

[FoxEye]

Some told me that 24 years ago. Climate change activists have been telling us it's the end of the world is soon since i was born.

From where I'm sitting the world has already ended. ******* 25 degrees for weeks. This country is supposed to be warm and moist. Not too warm, not too moist. Just right.

Now we're having week after week of sunshine and 25+ degrees. Game over man. I'm not sure I can take another year of this.

 

[Rroff]

Sure

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/are-climate-models-overpredicting-global-warming

I guess she's done more research than this guy too

The vast majority of the current consensus on climate change is based on NOAA data and/or referenced and corrected against NOAA data even when multiple models are used... NOAA have precedent for both getting predictions badly wrong, historically less accurate than other models in benchmarks (that isn't to say they are inaccurate as such - but often don't do a well) and an agenda in terms of how their data is presented. I suspect this will be another thing that in 10-15 years time or so will eventually be realised for what it is but in the short term those that speak out with a contrary view will be vilified.

On the other hand there is plenty of data on climate change which shows a concerning picture none the less the raw data on various glacier studies so we certainly should not be complacent.

From where I'm sitting the world has already ended. ******* 25 degrees for weeks. This country is supposed to be warm and moist. Not too warm, not too moist. Just right.

Now we're having week after week of sunshine and 25+ degrees. Game over man. I'm not sure I can take another year of this.

I've had weeks of hugely varied weather - cool one day, muggy the next, torrential rain followed by crisp sunshine a day later, etc. been days when you'd swear it was the start of winter then 25+C only a few hours later.

 

[Minusorange]

Should we be taking it from the many scientists that tells us we have a major problem then or just ignore all the evidence?Maybe there is a link there.

It's difficult to say what is the right thing to do when the data is potentially corrupt and doesn't give the entire picture because agendas are being pushed, I mean we've ignored the scientists anyway even before revelations about bad data have come to light, this Greta is just regurgitating everything that has already been peddled to us that we ignored, are we supposed to listen just because she has autism or because she's a kid ?

On the other hand there is plenty of data on climate change which shows a concerning picture none the less the raw data on various glacier studies so we certainly should not be complacent.

The problem is our inability to adapt to this change and are instead obsessed with kicking and screaming at the changing climate arrogantly thinking we have the power to change it to remain within our own comfort zone without actually making proper sacrifices to our lives

 

[Rroff]

The problem is our inability to adapt to this change and are instead obsessed with kicking and screaming at the changing climate arrogantly thinking we have the power to change it to remain within our own comfort zone without actually making proper sacrifices to our lives

We can effectively minimise our impact on the environment without the need to make sacrifices it is this stupid human condition of limited outlook conditioned by what we have accepted as the normal way to do things - we can adapt and make changes without compromise if we can decouple a little bit from prevalent perspectives on money. A few alternatives might be a little costly initially to change to, etc. but in the long term that would come down just as any other new thing, etc. we should have completely changed the kind of houses and where we were building them years ago and so on.

 

[wesimmo]

It's difficult to say what is the right thing to do when the data is potentially corrupt and doesn't give the entire picture because agendas are being pushed, I mean we've ignored the scientists anyway even before revelations about bad data have come to light, this Greta is just regurgitating everything that has already been peddled to us that we ignored, are we supposed to listen just because she has autism or because she's a kid ?



The problem is our inability to adapt to this change and are instead obsessed with kicking and screaming at the changing climate arrogantly thinking we have the power to change it to remain within our own comfort zone without actually making proper sacrifices to our lives

Do you genuinely believe that the data is so corrupt that the conclusions being drawn are completely wrong, or that the degree is exaggerated?

Because I don't think you can argue climate change is accelerating, we're seeing it happen year on year around us.

 

[Minusorange]

Do you genuinely believe that the data is so corrupt that the conclusions being drawn are completely wrong, or that the degree is exaggerated?

The climate is changing for sure, I think our impact on the change is exaggerated to explain for a lack of science in other areas related to the changing climate as I've mentioned, ie, Cosmic Rays, Pole shift/reversals, solar minima and volcanic activity, not to mention whatever else we are yet to discover as our entire solar system travels through the milky way which in turn is travelling through the universe

If we were truly on a trajectory to disaster like some would proclaim then why the **** are we not actually acting immediately to curb our pollutive behaviour instead of just saying well you can pay extra for your stuff because carbon credits and we'll phase out all diesel/petrol vehicles in 20 years (despite us only supposedly having 2 years to make a difference) oh and we'll plant a few extra trees

I've changed my behaviour to be friendlier to the environment, not because of impending doom but because I believe I have a responsibility to keep this place clean, it won't make much difference but at least I can claim moral high ground when I laugh at the absurdity of it all

 

[Sankari]

www.skepticalscience.com

 

[NVP]

www.skepticalscience.com

Ugh! My eyes!

 

[stockhausen]

Population control [is your advice on dealing with climate change]

Sounds remarkably easy.

Euthanasia, nuclear war or just kill all the first, second, third and fourth born?

 

[Minusorange]

Sounds remarkably easy.

Euthanasia, nuclear war or just kill all the first, second, third and fourth born?

You mock it, but it's the most logical way to prevent all the problems we're supposedly creating

A lower global population means
Fewer need for buildings
Fewer need for roads
Fewer traffic on said roads
Less demand for industry
Less demand for farming including livestock and agriculture
Fewer generally ****** people littering and polluting

Or do you think our path is totally sustainable even without the worry of climate change ?

I'd be quite prepared to step up for Euthanasia if it meant doing my part, I don't plan on having kids because I wouldn't wish them endure our collective legacy, I doubt you would have the moral integrity to do the same, but shouting platitudes on the internet, go you

 

[wesimmo]

/steps away from the thread, there's no reasoning with lunacy.

Wow.

 

[NVP]

I don't plan on having kids because I wouldn't wish them endure our collective legacy, I doubt you would have the moral integrity to do the same

I doubt that is the reason why, but keep telling yourself that.

 

[Efour]

She's the perfect little Joan of arc.
I have absolutely nothing against her message.
Swedes are on the whole already nauseatingly environmentally friendly. She comes from such a free thinking, artistic privileged background. She's going to be nominated for a bloody Nobel prize.
She will lose all marketing appeal when she grows up.