Amazonia Burning Nearly 3 Weeks now...
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Ah so it's somewhat difficult to do, so let's just ignore it then shall we?
Pfft, apologism, these forests don't grow back and the land basically dies after a few herds have abused it, that's ignoring the permanent loss of wildlife. If it comes down to the Rainforest or Brazils sovereignty, i'll choose the former with prejudice. I'll be damned if i trust a **** like Bolsonaro on facts.
Of course they can, humans spread like plague over the land history shows us that.
Well lets see, its 2,100,000 square miles and they are currently burning down 21,000 sq miles per year so 100 years, its all gone. Thats a pretty short time in my book. Plus it wont even take that long as there comes a point when it gets small enough it wont be able to self sustain itself (local weather conditions will change)
Anybody who thinks that its going to last forever at that rate of destruction is either pretty stupid or just doesn;t care about the world being destroyed.
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You are exactly the kind of person who read those types of websites. Probably another old dude with his pseudo science degree giving his opinion on climate change.
You pretty much instantly prove the conspiracy nut stereotypes correct every time resorting to "Did ur feelings get hurt bro?" I'm not 12, grow up you manchild.
"someone with more knowledge than you?"
You are saying this about some random guy on a blog, a VERY BOLD statement there. A person who I(and you) have no idea what their formal qualifications are or what their job is. I think i'll stick to trusting large mainstream institutions like NASA etc. Someone who actually employs intelligent and highly qualified people to comment on these subjects rather than some trash tier half baked climate denial blog my dude....
I forget though, all you fringe lunatics are too "woke" for all these institutions.
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So the situation politically seems to be heating up
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-49450495
France threatening to boycott trade with Brazil, I would like to see our country do the same, I like Banana's but I can go without if it means the rainforest and its creatures gets to survive, but due to Brexit I don't see it a possibility as we'll be needing all trade routes we can get
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-49450495
France threatening to boycott trade with Brazil, I would like to see our country do the same, I like Banana's but I can go without if it means the rainforest and its creatures gets to survive, but due to Brexit I don't see it a possibility as we'll be needing all trade routes we can get
LoL
Are you serious, where did i defend burning down anything.
Typical response from you tbh.
Does it not grow back at all then? Do you have anything I can read or watch about this? How much of the burning is man made versus natural forest fires? What's the rate of growth vs rate of destruction?
I don't think it should be burnt down obviously, but these are poor farmers in Brazil, they aren't burning it down so they can afford another yacht.
Go back a few hundred years and the British isles were known as the "misty isles", and was almost completely covered in trees.
We've cut down about 98% of our trees, so although it's terrible about the Amazon and all, I wonder how much moral authority we really have to tell them off about something we've already done.
e: We also had bears, lynx, wolves and other species that we wiped out completely.
We've cut down about 98% of our trees, so although it's terrible about the Amazon and all, I wonder how much moral authority we really have to tell them off about something we've already done.
e: We also had bears, lynx, wolves and other species that we wiped out completely.
Difference is we may have taken a few centuries to cut down our forests, Brazil are burning down the Amazon at the size of England every two years. If they stopped for 2 years then the amount of forest saved would offset all of the forest lost here.
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Forests maybe, but rainforests don’t tend to burn at this level naturally due to the amount of moisture.
Plenty of articles about this topic that state that very small fires in the Amazon are not unheard of but the number and scale of these ones means its almost certainly man made.
It's also worth mentioning that one of the reasons CO2 has risen more slowly than expected is that places like the Amazon have been acting as giant CO2 sinks. If that burns, all the carbon is released back into the atmosphere. When climate changes and temps rise enough to kill, rather than grow those rain forests, then all the stored carbon is coming back out.
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A good part of the rainforest is in Bolivia, Peru, Columbia, and Venezuala.
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/24/world/americas/amazon-rain-forest-fire-maps.html
Looking at the data presented, especially the fire maps it looks like it was worse in 03-10 than it is now
Looking at the data presented, especially the fire maps it looks like it was worse in 03-10 than it is now
The fact is Brazil's government is happy to keep logging the Amazon for economic growth. And/or burning it.
And there's not a damn thing anyone can do if that's what they want. Which it is.
And that is why we as a species are doomed. And we'll take most of the other life on Earth with us when we go.
I believe all environmental challenges are unsolvable because human nature tends to greed, always. People will keep seeking the $$$ even if it literally kills all of us. Which it will.
Human nature will lead the complete destruction of humanity and most other life on Earth. I see it as completely inevitable.
And there's not a damn thing anyone can do if that's what they want. Which it is.
And that is why we as a species are doomed. And we'll take most of the other life on Earth with us when we go.
I believe all environmental challenges are unsolvable because human nature tends to greed, always. People will keep seeking the $$$ even if it literally kills all of us. Which it will.
Human nature will lead the complete destruction of humanity and most other life on Earth. I see it as completely inevitable.
We can invade them and take over, if we can do it on Iraq for no reason and no consequence, i think saving 20% of the Earth's Oxygen production is a far more legitimate reason.
Or we can simply ban all beef sales out of the country, which after a rather long recession is going to hurt rather a lot.
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As above, you’ve got to find a way to make it economically beneficial to be sustainable. I’ll agree that greed seems to rule, but you can also use that against companies and governments by making it economically beneficial to be more sustainable.