Road Cycling

Roady said:
Just stripped it again. Nothing to be found, everything tight, greased and no grit or dirt to be found... So out with the BB. I fitted it originally with copper anti seize on the sleeve (grease on shell threads) figuring that was best. Going to refit it now with waterproof grease and see if that sorts it.
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So far so good, but only a short commute so far... Probably a wet & certainly longer/harder commute this afternoon so will see how it holds up.

@Jonny ///M what do you guys normally use on these? Grease or anti-seize?

Jobe said:
https://www.strava.com/activities/2653090536
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Some mega riding there buddy, talk about throwing yourself in the deep end by ticking that many off, sadist! :D

syke said:
Definitely an option. How is 28-32mm on the road?
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Really nice. 28mm is great and depending on rims is on par with the 'feeling' you get going from 23mm to 25mm. Increase in Comfort and still feels fast. 32mm does feel a little more sluggish, but they're quite a bit lower pressures so it's a balance. Supremely comfy and I'd say perfect for all day/audax commuting and pleasure riding where you just want things bomb proof, comfortable and worry free. Going tubeless has been superb with them too and the tyres I've gone for (budget tubeless!) have been so good I've not felt the need to change back to GP4000 sii 28mm during this summer. Previously running the 28mm tubed version of these the conti's felt quite a bit faster. So these newer TL Specialized Roubaix Pro 32mm certainly feel faster than the older tubed 25/28mm versions. Fitting them, they even felt similar weight to the 28mm. They've been a perfect introduction to Tubeless at £29 a tyre, seated with a track pump and have so far been bombproof at fairly low pressures. 35-50psi. I'm a convert on these 21mm wide rims.

Lethal` said:
I've been feeling a bit odd since Thursday... really unable to sustain good power output so I found it all a bit of a grind<snip>
I wanted to do a bit more on Monday but felt too empty and my knee had been giving me some jip. I also didn't fancy the traffic so drove home Sunday evening and ended up being tempted into a smashy 100 mile ride the next morning!
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Fantastic riding considering how your legs where feeling buddy, especially just throwing a 100 on the end there to cap the BH. Nutter (I'm jealous, a 100 for me is still quite an undertaking lol) :D
 
Roady said:
So far so good, but only a short commute so far... Probably a wet & certainly longer/harder commute this afternoon so will see how it holds up.

@Jonny ///M what do you guys normally use on these? Grease or anti-seize?

Some mega riding there buddy, talk about throwing yourself in the deep end by ticking that many off, sadist! :D

Really nice. 28mm is great and depending on rims is on par with the 'feeling' you get going from 23mm to 25mm. Increase in Comfort and still feels fast. 32mm does feel a little more sluggish, but they're quite a bit lower pressures so it's a balance. Supremely comfy and I'd say perfect for all day/audax commuting and pleasure riding where you just want things bomb proof, comfortable and worry free. Going tubeless has been superb with them too and the tyres I've gone for (budget tubeless!) have been so good I've not felt the need to change back to GP4000 sii 28mm during this summer. Previously running the 28mm tubed version of these the conti's felt quite a bit faster. So these newer TL Specialized Roubaix Pro 32mm certainly feel faster than the older tubed 25/28mm versions. Fitting them, they even felt similar weight to the 28mm. They've been a perfect introduction to Tubeless at £29 a tyre, seated with a track pump and have so far been bombproof at fairly low pressures. 35-50psi. I'm a convert on these 21mm wide rims.

Fantastic riding considering how your legs where feeling buddy, especially just throwing a 100 on the end there to cap the BH. Nutter (I'm jealous, a 100 for me is still quite an undertaking lol) :D
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Pretty much what you did. Copper slip on threads and grease on the press fit side of things. Guys at the other shop have a fancy carbon friendly grease apparently but I've never had any issues with a Teflon grease on carbon.
 
Noticed something odd in my ride data. Have noticed similar before and never really bothered me but it seems to be getting more frequent. Fault with ELEMNT, but I expect more likely GPS tracking? The E as it has no speed sensor is using GPS to calculate my speed. Do we think it then transmits this 'speed' data when sync'ing rather than just plotting GPS points and the time (for Strava to calculate the speed?). I saw similar to this with the cadence reading from my previous Powertap C1, so fitted an additional cadence sensor. It was more pronounced and would be a big 'spike' of cadence in the data and I always assumed it was to 'balance' an average. Here it's my speed data I noticed it in yesterday. I'm towing the Chariot so it's sustained speed higher torque kinda riding with very little rapid variation in speed due to the momentum/weight. GPS signal there should be good, it's fairly open/flat and although residential is quite a main road with a large gap between buildings/trees/road. My faster ride to Nursery on the same stretch of road the other direction (pre-chariot) features a little of it, then it seems to clear. Really don't see it in much of my other more open road/remote/sheltered areas where I would expect GPS signal to be a little trickier. It's just weird! :D

Roady said:
Fantastic riding considering how your legs where feeling buddy, especially just throwing a 100 on the end there to cap the BH. Nutter (I'm jealous, a 100 for me is still quite an undertaking lol) :D
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Even more impressive, a sub 5 hour (moving time) 100 @ 21mph average. Mind you that profile looks flat/fast as ****! Even more jealous! ;)

Jonny ///M said:
Pretty much what you did. Copper slip on threads and grease on the press fit side of things. Guys at the other shop have a fancy carbon friendly grease apparently but I've never had any issues with a Teflon grease on carbon.
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Hmm, I greased threads as that's what the Wheelsmfg guidance reads. Not worried about them as it was tight as hell to remove last night, so think it's just ingress between the cups and frame the anti-seize is too thin/non 'gap filling' to stop. So last night cleaned the copper anti-seize from everything, greased everything and refitted. I'm using Finish Line Premium, probably similar to yours, it's a teflon based one and 'carbon safe' (even though these interfaces are not carbon).

syke said:
Think that’s swayed me. Guess I’ll keep an eye out for a good Gravel bike deal then! Cheers @Roady
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The Diverge I'm riding the particular year of isn't a particularly 'Gravel' oriented bike. More of an endurance road bike. The tyres it came with more of a light trail type than off road and it came with a standard sub-compact rather than a 1x or off-road/CX crankset. In Specialized's range it was probably a little too close to their 'Roubaix' bike so the newer Diverges are now more off-road gravel/rough trail setups.

EDIT: Local chaingang last night turned into a willy waving contest with several guys back from training camps/trips. Brutal! Including Jon on a TT bike doing SS efforts, who then jumped in after his last set. Must be some mega form to do that! :o
 
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Roady said:
Even more impressive, a sub 5 hour (moving time) 100 @ 21mph average. Mind you that profile looks flat/fast as ****! Even more jealous! ;)
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Funny thing was it was a "social" ride but it turned into a smashfest the moment we didn't turn off for the usual quiet road and instead headed towards a dual carriageway (within 2 miles of the meet up).

I had set off only planning to ride 30-40 miles or so until I met a mate and he mentioned he was heading Marlow with his team. I had one bottle and a couple of soreen bars. Had to stop at Sainsburys before and get a bit of extra nutrition but certainly could have done with carrying more water and more pre-ride nutrition.
 
I have had my eye on the discounted Diverge Elite’s with Tiagra. Ideally would’ve wanted 105 if compact but not sure yet. Half tempted to just get a 1x at a good price. Planet X or similar. Thought there’d be some bigger discounts on the older models though on most stores though!
 
I wouldn't buy Specialized or Diverge if looking for budget/discounted options, except maybe the E5 as they've got quite a good following/rep compared to some of the others in the range. Admittedly I got mine RRP £2500 for £1750, but that was still with only 105 and non-series groupset on it. There's always quite a Specialized brand tax, although you do get quality carbon for it, it can be hard to justify at times. I'm not convinced the 'futureshock' is worth it (have only ridden it once and noticed barely any difference to my zertz).

At the time I got mine alternatives (like the Synapse) where still quite new so higher priced and not many other options from places/brands like PX/Dolan/Pinnacle/Trek/Giant etc like there is now. Looks for things like the Pinnacle Croix de Fer, PX London Road etc. Giant Contend springs to mind too. Although to be fair if I was in the market again I'd probably go the Trek Domane/Canyon Ultimate route.
 
Are there many 4iiii power meter users in here? My mate has been riding with his vector pedals for a while now and I’m very jealous of all that data, I really like using power while riding on my turbo but can’t justify the cost of vectors - are single sided solutions a decent compromise for well under half the price of dual pedal based options?
 
Yes. Single sided is valid. Pedals or crankarms. Pedals obviously easier for most to move around/fit/travel with.

I've come from a 'double sided' (chainring) based PWM and changing cranks am going the single crankarm route (4iiii or Stages), so I'm not tied into a cleat type and wearing out expensive pedals... Although I know I've a stronger right leg at worst my power balance/averages I've seen are 46%/54%. The majority of the time I'm 49%/51% or 48%/52%, but that's all calculated from my previous PWM by pedalling metrics/stroke, not 'actual'. With the already 2-5% inaccuracy of PWM's combined with your drivechain it's really nothing to worry about, unless you have other physical reasons for being unbalanced (injury etc). The power measurement will be accurately 'off' so using it for any training sessions will still be accurate to each other and the measurement constant. Does link nicely to the caveat worth mentioning - you cannot very accurately compare two different PWM's measurements to each other (insert rabbithole here).

EDIT: Heavens just opened here. Nursery pickup ETA 30 mins... Hope little man packed his waterproofs :lol:
 
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Roady said:
Yes. Single sided is valid. Pedals or crankarms. Pedals obviously easier for most to move around/fit/travel with.

I've come from a 'double sided' (chainring) based PWM and changing cranks am going the single crankarm route (4iiii or Stages), so I'm not tied into a cleat type and wearing out expensive pedals... Although I know I've a stronger right leg at worst my power balance/averages I've seen are 46%/54%. The majority of the time I'm 49%/51% or 48%/52%, but that's all calculated from my previous PWM by pedalling metrics/stroke, not 'actual'. With the already 2-5% inaccuracy of PWM's combined with your drivechain it's really nothing to worry about, unless you have other physical reasons for being unbalanced (injury etc). The power measurement will be accurately 'off' so using it for any training sessions will still be accurate to each other and the measurement constant. Does link nicely to the caveat worth mentioning - you cannot very accurately compare two different PWM's measurements to each other (insert rabbithole here).

EDIT: Heavens just opened here. Nursery pickup ETA 30 mins... Hope little man packed his waterproofs :lol:
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Thanks, I assume there is no issue we me getting a 105 5800 4iiii to replace the current RS510?
 
Shimmyhill said:
Thanks, I assume there is no issue we me getting a 105 5800 4iiii to replace the current RS510?
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If your looking for a single 4iiii ultegra I could sell mine. It doesn’t match my chainring and my ocd kicks in every time I ride. Only got it this year and still mint.
 
Roady said:
I wouldn't buy Specialized or Diverge if looking for budget/discounted options, except maybe the E5 as they've got quite a good following/rep compared to some of the others in the range. Admittedly I got mine RRP £2500 for £1750, but that was still with only 105 and non-series groupset on it. There's always quite a Specialized brand tax, although you do get quality carbon for it, it can be hard to justify at times. I'm not convinced the 'futureshock' is worth it (have only ridden it once and noticed barely any difference to my zertz).

At the time I got mine alternatives (like the Synapse) where still quite new so higher priced and not many other options from places/brands like PX/Dolan/Pinnacle/Trek/Giant etc like there is now. Looks for things like the Pinnacle Croix de Fer, PX London Road etc. Giant Contend springs to mind too. Although to be fair if I was in the market again I'd probably go the Trek Domane/Canyon Ultimate route.
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Was looking at the Diverge E5 Elite 2019 for £840.

Yeah understood with the brand tax especially on Specialized as all my MTB's were Specialized. Not overly fussed about being future proof either as obviously anything can happen and will replace as needed. Might just keep an eye out for the best deal that suits, especially if going 1x I probably don't need to look too high end on the budget as can just get riding and figure it out later.
 
Shimmyhill said:
Wahoo FW update with ant+ radar support added, hooked my Garmin varia up and works a treat!
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Watched a video on the Varia last night, does look very clever, think I might have to get one too :)

I notice it mainly seems to be called a RTL510, but there is also a 511? Is this a newer version?

Looks like Halfords are the cheapest place for the RTL510 at £139?
 
Jobe said:
If your looking for a single 4iiii ultegra I could sell mine. It doesn’t match my chainring and my ocd kicks in every time I ride. Only got it this year and still mint.
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If Shimmy is happy with his 105 (and doesn't send it back) then I'd happily take the Ultegra off your hands. R8000 here but was looking to snipe a S/H Gen2+ 6800/5800 Stages then send it away to be calibrated/checked. Providing no issues with yours I wouldn't need to do that (as it's much newer than I was expecting to get). Trust me if interested. Shimmy gets first dibs - I hadn't got a timeframe so was just watching lots on the 'bay.

syke said:
Was looking at the Diverge E5 Elite 2019 for £840.

Yeah understood with the brand tax especially on Specialized as all my MTB's were Specialized. Not overly fussed about being future proof either as obviously anything can happen and will replace as needed. Might just keep an eye out for the best deal that suits, especially if going 1x I probably don't need to look too high end on the budget as can just get riding and figure it out later.
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The 2019 Diverge E5 Elite does come with road gears (50/34). The only real difference between it and the 2020 E5 Elite is the shifters/calipers and chainrings. Tiagra calipers and 'off-road' 42/32 chainrings on the 2020, 2019 are Tektro calipers. Frame is unchanged, other than colour. That price is quite good considering hydraulic calipers, but you should be able to get a better deal with the 2020 models being on the Specialized website! ;)
 
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