Soldato
My parents didn't even install a shower until i left home.
Bath night was Sunday.
I rest my walking cane.
Bath night was Sunday.
I rest my walking cane.
My parents didn't even install a shower until i left home.
Bath night was Sunday.
The scale of protests world wide was impressive and its good that the message is getting across to governments that the upcoming voter base will expect change but some of the comments made by parents and children on the news last night were bordering on hysterical.
One mum said she can't look her kids in the eye about what the future holds and several kids seemed to have the impression that the world was going to end in the near future if change didn't happen now. That can't be a healthy outlook for children and psychologists are already warning about the effect of eco-anxiety:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/he...rn-against-eco-anxiety-in-children/ar-AAHr5OW
Sure change things in your control for the better but let kids be kids and not have the fate of the world on their minds at 5 years old.
I'm a carpenter. I need a van to ferry my tools aroundimpose themselves on our lives, and the process is self-limiting
... roads too congested so have to modify lifestyle, airports congested. ... so cycling ....
Something else that bothers me is that a good number of activists have a very set opinion of what needs to be done and won't deviate from it or accept anything else even if someone proves another approach is better or that what they are asking is actually detrimental. If you aren't onboard with exactly what they think we should be doing you are the enemy.
I'm a carpenter. I need a van to ferry my tools around
Well when all the evidence points towards unknown qualities hastening the extremities of climate change and weather events, absolutism is entirely justified, especially against a group of people who seem to want to ignore everything as an "opinion".
Well when all the evidence points increasingly towards unknown qualities hastening the extremities of climate change and weather events (the scientists involved are themselves becoming depressed at the lack of movement from governments and at the data that just gets worse and worse), absolutism is entirely justified, especially against a group of people who seem to want to ignore everything as an "opinion".
Should have done something decades ago, now it's likely too late and eco-terrorism will be very much on the cards, regardless if you think it's illogical or self-defeating (when is it ever not so?)... I would say, that this ultimately what people wanted, the detractors want the concerned to be violent so they can shift their pointless "war on terror" to civilians with a desire to not die of starvation, lack of water, increasing inequality and whatever other reason might be of note.
We're already set for zero global growth by the end of the century, ignoring terrorism, now what happens when the ME explodes (lack of water, lack of food, increasingly savaged by authoritarians) and Western refineries are bomb targets? Inflation in the 70s might have been awful, nothing like what's about to happen.
Problem is modern working patterns and environment don't accommodate it even if the individual wants to adjust to make more efficient use of vehicles. I was talking to someone the other day who was adamant for environmental reasons we should legally have a cap of 2 vehicles max per household - doesn't work in the real world (unless there is a huge shift in society and business).
Not in the face of evidence otherwise however.
I see your point but I don't consider it healthy or productive - that kind of attitude might save us from this disaster (not that I think it will) but ultimately if the human race can't move on from that consciousness it is ultimately doomed any how.
The funniest thing about it all is, the entire reason we are currently in this mess is because of governments listening to irate environmentalists in the goddamn first place. If it wasn't for environmentalists we would already have given up using fossil fuels to generate power in the UK and our renewables would be a lot more viable. But as usual they shout and shout about what they don't want while only offering pie in the sky ideas for alternatives and the politicians try their best to appease them.Something else that bothers me is that a good number of activists have a very set opinion of what needs to be done and won't deviate from it or accept anything else even if someone proves another approach is better or that what they are asking is actually detrimental. If you aren't onboard with exactly what they think we should be doing you are the enemy.
The funniest thing about it all is, the entire reason we are currently in this mess is because of governments listening to irate environmentalists in the goddamn first place. If it wasn't for environmentalists we would already have given up using fossil fuels to generate power in the UK and our renewables would be a lot more viable. But as usual they shout and shout about what they don't want while only offering pie in the sky ideas for alternatives and the politicians try their best to appease them.
Back in the late 80's and early to mid 90's the environmentalists whined and whined about our nuclear power programs because they didn't understand the fundamental differences between the type we used and the type the USSR used, as a result the Blair government cancelled not just the nuclear power program but the accompanying pumped storage program. If that hadn't happened then today we would have no coal/gas power stations still in service (replaced by cleaner/cheaper/more efficient modern nuclear power plants), the current nuclear power stations would have been decommissioned years ago (as opposed to having their lifespans extended due to lack of replacements) and our wind and solar power networks would be X times more effective as they would be able to contribute to the pumped storage network.
The kicker is it's going to get even worse before it gets better as the existing nuclear plants cannot be extended indefinitely and when they are taken off like there will need to be additional coal/gas power brought on line to make up the shortfall lol.
The kicker is it's going to get even worse before it gets better as the existing nuclear plants cannot be extended indefinitely and when they are taken off like there will need to be additional coal/gas power brought on line to make up the shortfall lol.
Well when all the evidence points increasingly towards unknown qualities hastening the extremities of climate change and weather events (the scientists involved are themselves becoming depressed at the lack of movement from governments and at the data that just gets worse and worse), absolutism is entirely justified, especially against a group of people who seem to want to ignore everything as an "opinion".
Should have done something decades ago, now it's likely too late and eco-terrorism will be very much on the cards, regardless if you think it's illogical or self-defeating (when is it ever not so?)... I would say, that this ultimately what people wanted, the detractors want the concerned to be violent so they can shift their pointless "war on terror" to civilians with a desire to not die of starvation, lack of water, increasing inequality and whatever other reason might be of note.
We're already set for zero global growth by the end of the century, ignoring terrorism, now what happens when the ME explodes (lack of water, lack of food, increasingly savaged by authoritarians) and Western refineries are bomb targets? Inflation in the 70s might have been awful, nothing like what's about to happen.
Humans aren't rational by nature, so complaining about this isn't going to change the course we're on, only action will, a lack of action from supposed leaders, will only engender action in vigilantes who feel there's nothing in the future if they don't act now. They have nothing to lose.
The scale of protests world wide was impressive and its good that the message is getting across to governments that the upcoming voter base will expect change but some of the comments made by parents and children on the news last night were bordering on hysterical.
One mum said she can't look her kids in the eye about what the future holds and several kids seemed to have the impression that the world was going to end in the near future if change didn't happen now. That can't be a healthy outlook for children and psychologists are already warning about the effect of eco-anxiety:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/he...rn-against-eco-anxiety-in-children/ar-AAHr5OW
Sure change things in your control for the better but let kids be kids and not have the fate of the world on their minds at 5 years old.
Yeah, no it's not.This climate emergency thing is a scam
When my car lease expires in a couple of years I'll probably go electric as the technology seems to be pretty decent these days. I went vegan around a year ago, for animal wellbeing reasons but that helps the environment too I guess.
But not a lot else really, I remember to recycle most of the time... What else can be done?
Lowering consumption just isn't going to cut it, we need to find ways to improve the environment without sacrificing human wellbeing and economic growth.
Always thinking on the positive side! Reading some of your posts on the subject is like reading the climate section on reddit, which is full of people just repeating "We are all dead". If there is one thing normal folk wont want to hear is that they and their kids are doomed. They will simply reject the person as a "Nutter".
I do think we will see our current lifestyle change in the years to come, but jesus we will not all be killed due to climate change. Now folks in the 3rd world might be in some serious trouble which is going to create millions of climate refugees
When my car lease expires in a couple of years I'll probably go electric as the technology seems to be pretty decent these days. I went vegan around a year ago, for animal wellbeing reasons but that helps the environment too I guess.
But not a lot else really, I remember to recycle most of the time... What else can be done?
Lowering consumption just isn't going to cut it, we need to find ways to improve the environment without sacrificing human wellbeing and economic growth.
We're going to have to sacrifice at some point, better to do it soon rather than when the economic drag is -3%, the average global growth has been around 3% for decades, ignoring blips.
So what you're really sacrificing in trying to be "measured" is exactly the thing you wish not to, they are becoming mutually exclusive with every moment.
When cars hit a range of 400 miles or so, then everyone will start making the shift.
Also they need to state what is to be done with old batteries, and how much of the car can be reused, rehoused, recycled, when the ten years is up.