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Have Environment Issues Caused a Change in Your Behaviour?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Edrof, Sep 6, 2019.

  1. teaboy5

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    I am not saying to "fake" happy, but there is a lot of things out side of our control. If the governments around the world don't work together we are screwed, but why sit around depressed about it now? What is it going to gain.

    And how are you going to get yourself ready When or if the country start coming down around us you're not going to be much better than off than the average person.
     
  2. Acme

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    I've always been conscious about creating waste etc, and conserving electricity. But the current media attention means I can also take the **** by taking pictures like this. :p

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  3. StriderX

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    I won't be running around like a headless chicken thinking some divine intervention will come at the last minute, so yes i'm already better off than the average person. If the last few years have taught anything, it's that there are still far too many people who trust the established order of things and that they're safe as long as they keep voting in the same old **** that keeps everything just about functional.

    Once these people start feeling the effects of their naivete, they'll react in the stupidest of manners and the fact that they're in such abundance along with the unwieldy anachronism of governance, the likelihood of some collective progress seems practically non-existent. One can only hope that sensibility wins out.
     
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  4. teaboy5

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    So go on let us know how you have planned for this? Or are you always going to be vague about it?

    Maybe if you explained yourself people may listen to what you post. Expand on why people will be running around like headless chickens? Is it because they have debt to the eyes balls, don't recycle enough. Come on let us know.
     
  5. StriderX

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    I don't really need to explain myself (nor do i really care), as i said, i'm being selfish, doesn't mean i don't like rattling this cage though (love a good shake), as ultimately fear is the only vehicle to move this along. Potentially avoiding the need for me to do anything aggressive.

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    I'm merely acting in accordance with what everyone else is feeling in this country.
     
  6. anksta

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    It's really shocking how much complacency and doubt you come across on this subject, Johnathan Pie made the point in his video about the XR protest in Oxford Circus, that we were being taught about the deforestation of the Amazon and other environmental issues 25+ years ago but what has been done in the meantime? There's lots of stuff around CSR and the moves companies are making but it's all, virtually without exception, in order to further more economic growth. I read a book a couple of years ago called something like "How to succeed in the coming economy", it was largely forgettable but one thing I remember from there was around Ikea's commitment to using 50% less wood in their manufacturing in the next 5/10 years, they came out with this announcement and then sat back and accepted the praise, but the target was "so that they can grow their business" meaning that absolutely, they'll still be using something like 50% more wood than they are now.

    What's really disappointing though is how many regular people are either defeatist about it, or just straight up deny it, still. I can't remember this many people ever being so distrustful of anything and everything, it's one thing when you have politicians of both persuasions screaming that the claims of the other will doom us all, but when it's just some scientists saying "here's the numbers" it's entirely different.

    I keep thinking that if the current levels of mistrust and propagation of just lies were around in the past, we'd have never reduced smoking rates, never gotten rid of CFCs, never gotten rid of polio etc (although I know that one's different). There have to be some things which are beyond politics.
     
  7. jpaul

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    I just see them pandying (add DFS, bed-in-bag folks, clothing industry, white goods) to propogating, the disposable, throw-away product transgression;
    I don't want an ikea pax (honeycombed-hardboard) wardrobe every 7/8 years, rather, a solid engineered product that will last 20, through multiple moves.
    (I don't use Ikea led lights .... but the lifespan of the ones I buy is laughable)

    Maybe lifespan of products should be figured into the tax, added to, the environmental impact of manufacture, or, if the manufacturers started offering a 10year guarantee the market can decide.

    Apple - should they be showing some leadership here, as biggest tech company ? if the battery and screen cannot easily be replaced and those will limit the useful life, even as 2nd hand products .... tax them.
    ....... rather than just social media driven ranting, herd mentality - Greta&Co need to do something practical



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    we're looking at the lights and/or the closed doors ie not listening ?

    what's the chart explanation/link to explain China leading in the right direction %, I don't understand ... they removed their population brake too
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  8. Edrof

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    Agreed, and, while some modern things are indispensable, most home items (like furniture) can be found as antiques. People need to move away from the idea that antiques are dusty old brown things that only people in bow ties would want to own. There's a huge surge in industrial salvage items now being used for the home and, hopefully, this will bleed into other areas. These items were built to last for centuries by master craftsmen and they do.
     
  9. Acme

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    Err, no, just a 4.0 V8 parked outside the environment agency.
     
  10. jpaul

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    [maybe he's had an lpg conversion]

    was reminded, this morning, that what the 2 girls did initiating BK removing plastic toys was something practical, versus Greta
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/burger-king-scraps-plastic-toys-16945289 ... a journey of a thousand miles ....

    A self inititated extension of childrens phone renewal cycle could be such a practical step (web doesn't tell me where that's at now?);
    Although phone companies, like samsung, offering trade-in on older models .. (which may be rollered into the ground ? ) - that, should be deplored, curtailing useable life
    ... and they are still making a profit.
     
  11. Acme

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    It's my car and it hasn't. Never mind. :p
     
  12. Rroff

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    Problem is mindset in that situation - people will be considering that 400+ miles means they won't have to trouble themselves about filling up too often (mentality they've grown up with) and the limited amount they have in reserve if they can't easily find a charging point, etc. - until the infrastructure is there and charging overnight, etc. is a fire and forget thing people will see anything less than about 400 miles as lacking.
     
  13. Puzzled

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    I've always wanted to own a lazy v8 for a bit and starting to think I should get a move on. Not just because of government tax policies but also public opinion is rapidly changing so you might come back to find "planet killer" scratched in to the paintwork despite the fact it would be recycled (second hand) and will do hardly any miles.
     
  14. Telecaster

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    I'm a single bloke with no kids, I've never worried about my environmental impact so no, nothing has changed here.
     
  15. BowdonUK

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    If these environmentalists were serious they would be calling out countries like China and India that are far worse than us. But no, they choose the reactionary path and moan to our governments in a negative way thinking that will cause people to take action. I was watching 2 young activists yesterday on different platforms screaming at people. Yes that will change their minds :rolleyes:
     
  16. bloodiedathame

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    FYI per capita they're not that bad (China just worse than the UK). https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2.html

    Also, China and India are both getting their act together big time in the renewables sectors.

    It is up to our governments, and democracy as a whole to lead the way. Do things right and others will follow. I'm glad people are making a lot of noise about it.
     
  17. BowdonUK

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    Screaming at people isn't going to change their minds.

    The only way things will change is if people engage in the political process, which I suspect will mean either forming a new political party or co-opting an existing one.
     
  18. SPG

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    Public transport will not help me take all my camping equipment/push bike to the middle of the lake district for a weekend of camping all back to work on Monday, so until one of these bright spark environmentalists give me a solution for that they can get stuffed. Mass public transport is fine for the city folk, but everyone else is going to be priced out owning any-form of transport.

    I do not see them targeting global shipping magnets which churn out epic amounts of NOX unregulated. Wasnt it one ship from China to the UK emits more NOX than the
     
  19. jpaul

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    I suppose it's off-peak now, but doesn't the traffic take the edge off ?
    I think, like they're saying proposing for interrnational air travel, a number of free passes per year, but then a higher taxation, or, like the london congestion charge, with a locals discount.

    - yes watched the Greta warm up act, and was just screaming ..I think she's being patronized, but merkel/macron/karnie were better (no Boris ?)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fvvb1MQTSQ
     
  20. R4z0r

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    Definitely having more of an effect on me. I’ve done a few things, I’m finding it difficult as I know impact is small but if more people make small changes we’ll be in a better place.

    - Carbon offsetting with offset.earth
    - Only eating meat 3 times a week. Also for health benefits (See Valter Longo longevity diet if interested)
    - Consciously trying to avoid single-use wherever possible (soap instead of liquid soap, re-usable coffee cups, etc.)
    - Taking train and holidaying closer to home where possible.
    - Considering power usage of things I buy, this has also had nice effect of dropping bill, couldn’t believe how much energy/money non-LED bulbs were using.
     
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