Can you be thrown out of heaven and into hell (and vice versa)

On the last question I posed, and purely as a logician (I have little interest in the vast cloud of frankly-overblown sectoral /vague pizza-cut early concept philosophies with no operational definitions) - the matter swings back to


1. the mind-body interaction definition problem (ie. Is the mind simply a product of the physical brain?), and;

2. the method-limitation of our various scientific methods - eg. restrict yourself to subject matter which can be proven by
a. falsification (deductive, abductive) or
b. inductive strength qualification (including . . . . . non-monotonic quantity categorical logics - eg.defeasible logic)
. .c. transductive (combinations of any of a, b)

The short-form commonsense clue to the meaning of falsification is simply that 'if you can't tell/prove when something is not there or didn't happen, then you have no way of knowing /proving when it is there or did happen'.
 
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Then why are you claiming that you do? You stated confidently, as an absolute fact, that whatever god you believe in took control of Stanislav Petrov and acted through him. Then said you don't have any answers.

God exists because I say they have to exist.
No human could have made a good and brave choice, therefore any good and brave choice made by a person was made by my god, therefore my god exists.
I don't have any answers.

It's not a compelling (or honest, thanks to the last part) argument that you're making.

(I was second-guessing myself over the person's name, so I had to check - I was right).

No, I hope I did not state confidently, because I don't know.

I guess why I have been posting a lot itt, is because I have seen other posters posting about how CERTAIN they are that there is no god. I am sure they're good people but how can you be certain. How can you have reasoned this out.

If god exists he/she is unknowable to you.

My dad is kind of the same, in that he is certain there is no god.

I hope there is a god. I do not know what form they take, but the thought that we are on are own is scarier than the thought that there is a god that I don't understand yet.
 
//thinking aloud here//

I do personally think there is a way to break the apparent impasse which does not violate the various interests and concerns - at least from the scientific perspective, but I suspect it is likely a novel approach/ and ideographic synthesis insofar as it fits inside a continuum and hypergeometric model of consciousness I have been working on in the process of solving other unrelated problems, albeit pretty much rooted in fact and experience.
 
No, I hope I did not state confidently, because I don't know.

I guess why I have been posting a lot itt, is because I have seen other posters posting about how CERTAIN they are that there is no god. I am sure they're good people but how can you be certain. How can you have reasoned this out.

If god exists he/she is unknowable to you.

My dad is kind of the same, in that he is certain there is no god.

I hope there is a god. I do not know what form they take, but the thought that we are on are own is scarier than the thought that there is a god that I don't understand yet.
but why do you hope that there's a god if they've done nothing for you, and seem content to let a whole lot of **** and nasty stuff happen to people in general, because to me that is no different to us being on our own? Look at it another way: would you rather we were on our own, or would you rather there was one/several supernatural, all-powerful beings out there that don't make their presence known and take no interest in us at all? Cos to me, that would seem actually worse, knowing there's some superbeing out there who looks on us w/ apathy and contempt and emphasizes that we're not worth bothering about or helping.
 
and seem content to let a whole lot of **** and nasty stuff happen to people in general, because to me that is no different to us being on our own?

No, that is not how it is. Lots of bad stuff happens to good people, but I don't think that shows there is no god.

I suppose the way I look at god is that they're 'nudging' humanity in the right direction. Like that Stanislav Petrov from a few posts up.
 
Politicians also make blatantly impossible (Ken Livingstone) promises, but people still vote for them, though.

You could just as easly paint right-wing politicians as bad as left-wing. What is boris johnson promising now, I haven't listed to the new today but I bet it is ****.

'No deal is better than a bad deal' **** off with that tripe you know it is not true.
 
No, that is not how it is. Lots of bad stuff happens to good people, but I don't think that shows there is no god.

I suppose the way I look at god is that they're 'nudging' humanity in the right direction. Like that Stanislav Petrov from a few posts up.
seems to imply that you think good decisions are god-based rather than giving a person their own credit for following their hunches.
 
Humans are capable of doing good thing and bad things, IDK why petrov did what he did that day. His training would have told him to alert superiors, or just fire missiles towards the US. Why did he not do that?

Perhaps god nudged him that day. I DON'T KNOW.

See this is what I don't like, ppl posting how there is a god or there isn't a god. HOW DO YOU KNOW
 
there is no evidence whatsoever for a god/goddess, therefore they don't exist and no amount of hypothesizing, wishing, hoping or praying will make it otherwise. it will remain that way until proof presents itself.
 
there is no evidence whatsoever for a god/goddess, therefore they don't exist and no amount of hypothesizing, wishing, hoping or praying will make it otherwise. it will remain that way until proof presents itself.

Look at it from the other point of view. god 'probably' exists, or why are we here? If you look for evidence of a god, you will never find it, because that is not how god works. Something gave humans conciousness, or if you want to reach further back than that, something created the universe. What was that? Some kind of God maybe? I don't know m8
 
It is false hope. On balance any comfort is a paltry defence in contrast to the harm done by religion.

I didn't mention hope, the which I take to be the persistence of ambition by other means when constructive personal action is, or is believed to be, actually impossible.

When one's brain tissue is literally being melted (eg. front left lobe) by high levels of cortisol by the second during high psychological distress, time is of the essence. The first thing that works (to reduce the discharge) in three fistfulls of seconds or less wins. Fail, and you will have major physical brain damage, as brain scans of the severely psychologically traumatized show for all the world to see. Coping is never an option.

The most common rapid cortisol-reducing method used worldwide is blame (yourself, someone else, etc). There are some variables that predict an individual's tendency as to who or what will they will blame.
 
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Look at it from the other point of view. god 'probably' exists, or why are we here? If you look for evidence of a god, you will never find it, because that is not how god works. Something gave humans conciousness, or if you want to reach further back than that, something created the universe. What was that? Some kind of God maybe? I don't know m8
god POSSIBLY exists, there's nothing probable about a deity at all. why does there HAVE to be a reason? we just are. the result of a universal roll of a die. what created the universe? the big bang. if you want to claim a god did, what created that god?
"If you look for evidence of a god, you will never find it, because that is not how god works" that's cop-out BS for believers to weasel out of logic.
 
there is no evidence whatsoever for a god/goddess, therefore they don't exist

That's a logical fallacy.

it will remain that way until proof presents itself.

This only fits in with the first bit that I quoted if you're approaching this with some kind of 'consciousness creates reality' perspective, otherwise it doesn't follow that something wouldn't exist until it's proven to exist.
 
(laughing)...is this the experience of living concurrently in two parallel universes?

Practical therapeutic tip:

if you are ever accosted by what appears to your mind to be a paranormal or supernatural entity - ask it to hand you something that has weight (pencil, cup, whatever). If it can't, it is less powerful than a 3 year old. Judge accordingly.
 
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