Good point well argued good sir!
MINI Cooper s GP 2006 edition? Or facelift 2013 GP edition?
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He could be right... I mean only someone who has driven a wide array of FWD and RWD cars would make such a statement. He must know his stuff!
Normally I'd agree with your sentiment, but i think its because you're so massively wrong, that it doesn't even require an explanation as to why. To anyone who knows what they're talking about - it's obvious.
Hey guys,
Not quite the gp, but I came across a real gem of a r53 checkmate that I have now put a deposit on and make the 900 mile round trip on Friday to collect.
Will post some photos up on the weekend of her and take it from there..
Man I'm pumped
Not quite the gp, but I came across a real gem of a r53 checkmate that I have now put a deposit on and make the 900 mile round trip on Friday to collect.
Will post some photos up on the weekend of her and take it from there..
Man I'm pumped
Both good examples of Mini's.
The GP2 is a JCW with some stickers
Due to the above the GP1 feels a more special car and it was made in a lot lower numbers.
For me I am addicted to the supercharger whine, I have owned all three generations of the new mini and I currently own a 1st gen supercharged R53 Cooper S and the 2014 3rd gen 2.0 turbo F56 Cooper S, which I have mapped to 300bhp
Hi Guys - I have a GP2 and it has specific front end and back end. The roof level spoiler is unique to the model as well. I don't 'think' the same spoiler is on the GP1 either.
I'm pretty sure that the GP1 was made in equal numbers to the GP2 - that being 2000 - and all came with roof numbers. Mine is 1886.
On supercharger Vs turbo - it's a known fact that superchargers are parasitic (and therefore more strain) on the engines - probably hence the slightly higher fuel consumption. Superchargers are known to be the way to go with bigger (much bigger engines) like the Jag XKR etc. The same as twin / bi-turbos are the way to go with cars like Nissan's GTR and some Merc AMG variants. To my mind, supercharging a 1.6 engine aint that good a decision by someone upstairs. If it was so good, why have Mini now largely gone over to turbo?
The GP2 did come numbered. My roof number is 1886.
you realise you're replying to a 2 and a half year old thread?
Yeah I was looking for Mini GP related posts anywhere and the search threw up OverclockersUK, soooooooo........
They didn’t come numbered from factory. Any numbering would have been done afterwards.
only the GP1 has specific numbers, which the GP3 looks set to repeat
Sorry, I don't really understand this. You're saying that the 2000 GP1 cars had 'specific numbers' from the factory, but that the 2000 GP2 cars had 'non-specific' numbers afterwards? What does that even mean? What constitutes a 'specific number'?
The roof numbers were fitted at factory level as part of the trim so, the numbers must have been allocated BEFORE they left the factory. When I bought my GP2 from a BMW / Mini dealer, they cross checked the roof number with BMW and all checked out. Can you see why, what you say, makes absolutely no sense to me, other than trying to make it sound like the GP1 is somehow more exclusive? They made 2000 of each model, and numbered them accordingly. All the numbers are 'specific numbers' surely?
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I 'think' the GP1/2 are slightly different to badge special editions. There are mechanical differences such as the inverted dampers in the GP2, plus the few extra horses. Back seats deleted, track tuned. These differences alone separate it from say, the Challenge, which IS a derivative of the common JCW. Below the GP logo, it does say 1 of 2000, but the roof and build number is anything between 0001 and 2000. So actually, its nothing like the other R56 'special editions'. Can you see what I mean?
The GP2 never came with any numbering in most markets. In the USA they had some roof stickers but to create confusion those numbers were only relevant to the US stock, which meant some of them were duplicated globally. Any numbers on a UK car would have been added at a later date. Yes you can still ask MINI to confirm ‘what number’ the car was out of the 2000 but they did not leave the factory with any such markings. Only the GP1 had specific global numbers on the cars from factory, on a small plaque inside the car and on the roof.
Arguably the GP1 is more special. They were assembled by Bertone.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.c...cial-gp2-north-american-owner-s-registry.html
Added at a later date by? A 'number fairy' for instance? Both models came in limited number of 2000 so I find it difficult to believe that the numbering wasn't a thing on the GP2 when it was on the GP1 - and since I have a GP2 with confirmed numbering..... Also this 'register' you give the link to, there is an equivalent one in the UK, which is more substantially populated with UK owners of the GP2 (and GP1) models than yours is. I think both GP models, plus the upcoming GP3 will hold it together regardless of who assembles them. Take the Ford Focus RS1, that model seems pretty meager now in comparison to the RS2 and RS3. But prices for all models are holding their own, regardless.
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Emissions and EU MPG data which a turbo will perform far better is the main reason they changed. The climate was far different when the original new mini was conceived. Petrol was still less than a pound a litre for a start. I would argue that a supercharger on a smaller engine is far better as you get to keep N/A characteristics and a turbo even though they have come on leaps and bounds are far laggier on small displacement engines when making decent power or not that laggy but run out of puff high up in the rev range. Plus you have the acoustic aspect which is far better with a supercharger.
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By an owner perhaps?
Oh I get what you are saying. But what I say stands - superchargers are parasitic on engines. This MUST mean that added strain is a factor. As for the noise - I much prefer the sound of a turbo winding up. I used to have a highly modified upgraded Jag XKR with up-rated supercharger that was on song all the time. The car was fantastic, but that noise was a nightmare after a while. It had to go lol!
Oh mate you're not getting it. The GPs ALL had identical fonted roof numbers - this is how they were supplied in 2012/13. They were not added by owners! Very unlikely 500 UK owners went out to get exactly the same roof stickers lol. I think you guys here have got your fact wrong.