Not sure how much is perceived but I certainly prefer a more commanding position for driving but personally I don't get a conference boost getting into a bigger vehicle but do feel less confident when I get down into a vehicle on the road but for some reason doesn't bother me on a track.
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Not sure how much is perceived but I certainly prefer a more commanding position for driving but personally I don't get a conference boost getting into a bigger vehicle but do feel less confident when I get down into a vehicle on the road but for some reason doesn't bother me on a track.
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SUV's are just a menace in general. Awful things 
My answer is no, I try very hard to live up to the reputation as an Audi driver. Park across two spaces, forgotten what those yellow things are front and rear and drive up the posterior of any car in front. It's hard work, believe me...
True. And most of the bottom end chav focus/fiesta with a exhaust 3x the value of the car.They do seem to attract a certain customer though. When you watch those police camera death action shows, the drug dealers are always in a BMW or Audi of some kind
My view on the most consistently selfish and downright impolite:
1. Pick up drivers. They act like van drivers who’ve got a bit more dosh and want to show you
2. White van man
3. Audi man
Classic traits:
- Tailgate wherever possible, there’s just nothing like trying to intimidate other drivers
- Ignore any speed limit, after all, it’s good to fund them
- never let anyone out
- happily barge your way into queues
- always stop in front of white line
- drag race anything and everything
- consider that it’s ok to sit partly on the wrong side of the road even though they don’t have right of way
- park in the hatched zones in our local Tesco so they can be slightly closer to the entrance. Who cares if they stuff up visibility
1. Pick up drivers. They act like van drivers who’ve got a bit more dosh and want to show you
2. White van man
3. Audi man
Classic traits:
- Tailgate wherever possible, there’s just nothing like trying to intimidate other drivers
- Ignore any speed limit, after all, it’s good to fund them
- never let anyone out
- happily barge your way into queues
- always stop in front of white line
- drag race anything and everything
- consider that it’s ok to sit partly on the wrong side of the road even though they don’t have right of way
- park in the hatched zones in our local Tesco so they can be slightly closer to the entrance. Who cares if they stuff up visibility
What you seem to have done here, is find an article about the dangers of SUVs for collisions involving elderly pedestrians, isolated a single response to it from someone who shares your opinion on psychology, then claimed that it therefore backs up your assertion that the majority only buy SUVs for a feeling of superiority over others as legitimate fact.
I don't really buy that - whilst I completely agree that there is probably quite a large subset of drivers who think driving an SUV gives them some dominance, I don't think its the overriding factor that you say it is. I'm pretty sure my elderly parents with their ageing knees and backs aren't really bothered about dominating the road, nor lording it over others; they just found the ideal car for their needs in the SUV segment. Similarly, I doubt very much that the thousands of young parents ferrying their kids around in cheap Kias/Nissans/Renaults/etc are doing so primarily because they think it gives them some ability to look down on others, but just because again, the raised platform of an SUV is a bit easier to access all the crap you apparently need when you have children. For every idiot I get tailgating me or trying to dominate me in their SUV, there's hundreds of them being driven no differently or more aggressively than any other car.
You obviously have some innate dislike of SUVs, and that's fine - there's plenty of good reasons for that. But attacking the majority owners of them for buying them for nothing other than the psychological boost is nothing more than your subjective opinion. I could quite as easily state that the reason the majority of owners of anything with a BMW/Audi/Merc badge is due to the same, and I'm pretty sure I'd have no trouble finding similar comments online agreeing with me, but I wouldn't try and claim that as a fact as a result.
To be fair, in my experience I could easily replace "SUV" with a multitude of other vehicles or brands here, and this statement would be just as accurate.
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as an audi driver i am so far from your list its not funny.
1) I very very rarely tailgate, normal only briefly when some moron deliberately causes me to have to take avoiding action
2) I follow speed limits pretty religiously when in any area where pedestrians or cyclists could be, duals, motorways etc are different
3) I frequently let people out, and in towns often wave pedestrians to be able to cross, particularly if female
4) Barge into queues, nope
5) which white lines precisely
6) pointless
7) people not obeying the laws of the road grind my gears, hopefully thats coming across so no I dont
8) not sure where your local tesco is. IN mine for example I see plenty of preciouses who park their cars in parent and childern parking, or even disabled as they think their precious lump of metal is that important. I see all marques in here, but on balance I would say more BMWs than anything. I think they think an M badge means it comes with some special dispensation or something, and i dont mean the real Ms even, the poverty spec M sports are the ones
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Exactly, crap drivers are crap drivers. many drivers dont even get to choose their car, they get given it. But because companies now more frequently give a BMW or Audi those same ****** drivers are in one of them that used to be in a vectra or a mondeo
Some observations on the cars in my neighborhood:-
Range Rover: Drives fine
BMW hatch: Drives fine
Kia SUV: Excessive speeding
Mercedes MPV: Drives fine
Kia SUV: Excessive speeding, drives the wrong side of the road
Audi SUV: Drives fine
BMW SUV: Excessive speeding, drives the wrong side of the road
Range Rover: Drives fine
BMW hatch: Drives fine
Kia SUV: Excessive speeding
Mercedes MPV: Drives fine
Kia SUV: Excessive speeding, drives the wrong side of the road
Audi SUV: Drives fine
BMW SUV: Excessive speeding, drives the wrong side of the road
I've found recently that the worst drivers seem to be (as mentioned in a previous post) taxi drivers who in particular pull out onto a roundabout right in front of me, followed closely by Audi drivers, the Audi thing though is interesting and almost like some inferiority complex they have, the drivers of new Audi's are fine, it's the older ones that are bad and incapable of sticking to speed limits, in particular those with the old 1.9 Diesel engine that has been remapped and DPF deleted so that they kick out loads of black smoke.
Busses don't seem to be that bad, the placement of bus stops and how some cyclists are in bus lanes seem to be the things that don't help with their driving style. I guess that could be extended to some taxis that use the bus lanes.
BMW driving standards have massively improved, perhaps because the majority had such a bad reputation with indicating and general lane discipline and road usage. The best BMW drivers seem to be the M140/M2/M3/4/5 drivers, they don't act as though they have something to prove - and I'm not talking about those with the 118D that have bought an M badge off eBay and stuck it on the back.
The school run mums aren't great either in an SUV of some shape or form (Nissan Joke mainly) who seem oblivious to their surroundings and are in a desperate need to get their kids to school and then get to Costa with all the other school run mums. You'd think the higher driving position would help them to notice their surroundings but they are more focussed on their kids in the back - and yes I know it's for making emergency services aware but the baby on board sticker seems to lower the IQ.
Busses don't seem to be that bad, the placement of bus stops and how some cyclists are in bus lanes seem to be the things that don't help with their driving style. I guess that could be extended to some taxis that use the bus lanes.
BMW driving standards have massively improved, perhaps because the majority had such a bad reputation with indicating and general lane discipline and road usage. The best BMW drivers seem to be the M140/M2/M3/4/5 drivers, they don't act as though they have something to prove - and I'm not talking about those with the 118D that have bought an M badge off eBay and stuck it on the back.
The school run mums aren't great either in an SUV of some shape or form (Nissan Joke mainly) who seem oblivious to their surroundings and are in a desperate need to get their kids to school and then get to Costa with all the other school run mums. You'd think the higher driving position would help them to notice their surroundings but they are more focussed on their kids in the back - and yes I know it's for making emergency services aware but the baby on board sticker seems to lower the IQ.
Going out of your way to write entire paragraphs towards a car body type, really? Funnily enough I find it makes a difference the other way. I'm tall - 6'4" - and drive a SUV, a Skoda Yeti. My eyeline is on the level of the rear-view mirror and I'm very conscious of how much of the front view it blocks. I also have two large pillars either side which also restrict my views.
Umm... I bought my Yeti because it has headroom and legroom and that's pretty much it.
3) I frequently let people out, and in towns often wave pedestrians to be able to cross, particularly if female
I find this as annoying as the other "stereotype" Audi driver traits tbh!
It's infuriating following someone who is constantly being "courteous" like that. Just get on with it, stop interrupting the flow of traffic and causing potentially confusing or dangerous situations, and let the system flow as it should!
The other day I watched someone stop and wave some pedestrians across a two-lane section of road. If someone had been barrelling along in the other lane it would have ended very badly! Foolish. Let them make their own choices and safety decisions.
Agreed.