How do religious people explain child mortality?

b00merang69 said:
Prove there is no God.
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It cannot be done with current scientific knowledge, at least it cannot be completely disproven that what we dont know about the universes creation isnt the result of a being that could be considered "god".

However just because something cannot be disproven does not automatically mean it exists. In the same way just because we cant prove that the events depicted by the star wars franchise didnt actually happen doesnt mean they did.
 
adolf hamster said:
However just because something cannot be disproven does not automatically mean it exists. In the same way just because we cant prove that the events depicted by the star wars franchise didnt actually happen doesnt mean they did.
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Yet a person can be found guilty ' beyond reasonable doubt ' and that is deemed a conclusive result.

Why can't we put the whole religion farce ' beyond reasonable doubt ' ?
 
He lets the rest of us die so why not kids?
Go back a little over 150 years and we had them working in coal mines breathing in those lovely carbon particles like the rest of the population.
 
I like the point that Dawkins makes in his latest book. The religious books that tell of Jesus were written 30 years after his death. That said they aren't going to be very accurate. People can't even agree on the 911 story.
 
neocon said:
I like the point that Dawkins makes in his latest book. The religious books that tell of Jesus were written 30 years after his death. That said they aren't going to be very accurate. People can't even agree on the 911 story.
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If material written thirty years later is inaccurate, how can we trust something written two thousand years later? The argument undermines itself.
 
Amnesia said:
He lets the rest of us die so why not kids?
Go back a little over 150 years and we had them working in coal mines breathing in those lovely carbon particles like the rest of the population.
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There is some argument re: free will when it comes to dying from things you have control over. On the other hand being born with some condition that will cut your life short and/or cause serious pain etc... seems rather cruel.

People just make up some guff to keep up the pretence.

Likewise I guess some poor kids get a bit dissapointed at Christmas time and left wondering why Santa loves the rich kids more than them.
 
I'm pretty sure most Christian denominations regard children as innocent and that God will save them, there is some symbolism with child sacrifice back in the Egyptian days that they use to justify this.
 
neocon said:
Anyone who's religious care to explain child mortality?


"Despite progress over the past two decades, in 2018 alone, an estimated 6.2 million children and young adolescents under age 15 died, mostly from preventable causes."

I keep meaning to ask the people that come knocking at my door wanting to read a Bible passage.
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What has religion got to do with greed? And incompetent governments?

Children die due to poverty I'm guessing in your preventable cases. Not because God killed them.
 
Lopéz said:
Nah but his followers do...
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Why do people from the 1400's have computers?

In answer to the OP, they just say its part of "Gods plan" or it is "Gods will" and they will thank God for the childs suffering coming to an end, but won't blame him for taking their child. They are mental.
 
Little bit of an explanation:

Satan is evil, Satan was kicked out of heaven and tempted God's created humans that he gave free will to. Without this temptation they did not know sin but with it they did, see tree of life and tree or knowledge of God and evil (not necessarily real trees just a metaphor). Then God punished them for going against him and basically said follow me or the evil ways against me. God did not give humans eternal life on earth, see tree of life again, but offered eternal life in heaven for following him. Humans obeyed and disobeyed but their sin became too much to atone for so God sent his son Jesus to die for everyone's sin if they believe in him and follow him again as a human sacrifice. So basically the eternal life in God is after death and after loving and following God/Jesus with the power of God's spirit being in the world (the trinity). If you don't you go to hell forever if you do you go to heaven where there is no more sin and pain.
 
adolf hamster said:
It cannot be done with current scientific knowledge, at least it cannot be completely disproven that what we dont know about the universes creation isnt the result of a being that could be considered "god".

However just because something cannot be disproven does not automatically mean it exists. In the same way just because we cant prove that the events depicted by the star wars franchise didnt actually happen doesnt mean they did.
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Yer but you cannot just make stuff up and say its true because science cannot disprove it.. You need a reason to believe something is real.. Just because its written in an old book.. If there is one god why do so many people belive in different gods? Why are there so many different books? What about people that lived before the book how did they know not to sin? Surely mosy false religious would die out if they were made up.

The sun is full of strawberry jelly, its true god told me.. Science cannot disprove this so its true
 
iamdjdz said:
Little bit of an explanation:

Satan is evil, Satan was kicked out of heaven and tempted God's created humans that he gave free will to. Without this temptation they did not know sin but with it they did, see tree of life and tree or knowledge of God and evil (not necessarily real trees just a metaphor). Then God punished them for going against him and basically said follow me or the evil ways against me. God did not give humans eternal life on earth, see tree of life again, but offered eternal life in heaven for following him. Humans obeyed and disobeyed but their sin became too much to atone for so God sent his son Jesus to die for everyone's sin if they believe in him and follow him again as a human sacrifice. So basically the eternal life in God is after death and after loving and following God/Jesus with the power of God's spirit being in the world (the trinity). If you don't you go to hell forever if you do you go to heaven where there is no more sin and pain.
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That is in no way an explanation. It is a belief.
It also does nothing to explain infant morality, birth defects, childhood cancers, That little worm that entire life cycle is to blind children.
A new born, can't disobey.
 
Destination said:
That is in no way an explanation. It is a belief.
It also does nothing to explain infant morality, birth defects, childhood cancers, That little worm that entire life cycle is to blind children.
A new born, can't disobey.
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It's an explanation of the belief, albeit quickly written. That's the important point, you need to either believe or not believe for an explanation to make sense in the context of religion.
 
Indeed, but how does their belief tolerate the punishment of innocents by their God?
God loves you therefore he gives you cancer to test the belief of those around you?
 
Destination said:
Indeed, but how does their belief tolerate the punishment of innocents by their God?
God loves you therefore he gives you cancer to test the belief of those around you?
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But that's not the case though for those with the belief. The belief is that God doesn't stop the evil workings of the world but gives the choice to follow him, which is the important part. And the testing that people mention isn't always sent by God. Equally God doesn't always perform miracles in the way that people want, it's God's plan for His kingdom, not God's plan for everything to be perfect for us on earth. Again the explanation works if you have the belief but tbh there's so much that is supposed by people about Christianity, and so many false assumptions about beliefs and things that can't work together (ie love, tolerance and other religions - science and religion - evolution and creation) that sometimes people don't listen and don't understand the other's belief.
 
Destination said:
Indeed, but how does their belief tolerate the punishment of innocents by their God?
God loves you therefore he gives you cancer to test the belief of those around you?
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I explained this above, follow God and you go to heaven and won't suffer anymore.
Satan is the one doing all the damage on the planet, he is The Lord Of This World and only God can get you out of it.

(from my Bible lessons in the early 70s)

You're searching for your mind don't know where to start
Can't find the key to fit the lock on your heart
You think you know but you are never quite sure
Your soul is ill but you will not find a cure yeah

Your world was made for you by someone above
But you chose evil ways instead of love
You made me master of the world where you exist
The soul I took from you was not even missed yeah

Lord of this world
Evil possessor
Lord of this world
He's your confessor now

You think you're innocent you've nothing to fear
You don't know me you say, but isn't it clear?
You turn to me in all your worldly greed and pride
But will you turn to me when it's your turn to die, yeah
 
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