Spec me a Hybrid.

Vita said:
It's reasonable. £40~ full tank and circa with the mixed driving I can get 400ish miles out of it. Bearing in mind the tank is 45 litres. Whenever I've filled up from the range showing 10 miles left it's taken 33l~ or there abouts.

I like it. For my needs and phv it's perfect.
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Watch out fox will be here to tell you that you are wrong and it's impossible for your 45 litre tank to cost £40 to fill.

Because every car uses all the petrol with nothing in reserve when it's low.

It's good to see yours is running exactly like mine. I'm sure we get 400ish out of a tank and same £40 to fill when very low.
 
a hybrid is still an expensive investment (- do have to consider pence per mile ownership) if you find it doesn't suit your more rural lifestyle

Usher said:
there are some getting overall mpg
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I had scanned this thread .. and most don't get ~80mpg !
https://priuschat.com/threads/why-my-mpg-does-not-match-promised-values.195215/page-8

for weekend trips 100mile+ at 60-70, hybrids, are not doing 70mpg
eg https://www.researchgate.net/public...conventional_vehicle_in_real_drive_conditions
 
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... even if you scale up

this is the telling one for me,
relations in ruralish town have a 1.3 petrol yaris and get 50mpg , and I would be in the 60-80km spee for most use,
for which prius is 4l/100km ~58mpg
... so I would need ownership costs of prius to be less than 20% more than petrol to justify it.


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... from graph, they need to improve aerodynamics of Yaris too, versus prius
 
Which Prius version are they using in these tests? almost certainly it's one with the 17" rims which are standard so add 10mpg for 15" wheels, do you want looks or more economy? plus 15" wheels lower the Co2 rating for the car which is also declared in the registration document.
and if the test car is more than one year old it's almost certainly not now filled with the same/correct grade of oil as it came from Japan with (0W-20) so add 7-10mpg for that

Interestingly the oil level on a factory fresh Prius is not right up to the top mark, it's about 4/5 because overfilling also adds drag to a hybrid, if you ask the service bloke to fill it to the same level they can't do it and claim you could run out of oil and similar cobblers. Likewise I've had one overfill right above the top mark on my gen2. On the Prius UK forums there's loads of arguments about oil with Toyota main dealers
 
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Nasher said:
They should use 0W-20. Toyota use it in all their cars.
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except they probably don't when it gets serviced, some owners on the Toyota forums have discovered their dealer doesn't even have any 0W-20 in the workshop

Toyota state in the handbook that 0W-20 is the preferred grade but if thicker grades are used they should be replaced with 0W-20 at the next service. Needless to say the dealership that supplied mine ignored it and I noticed a considerable drop in mpg driving home and on all our regular trips in the following weeks. After an argument I ended up draining the oil and performing a viscosity test comparing with Toyota's own brand of 0W-20 which proved 100% that they had lied.
 
Hmm, they have always put 0W-20 in my gt86. I guess you just need to find a good dealer :/

I did read somewhere the Toyota branded stuff is actually Shell. If they are using some other random cheap stuff, that isn't good either.
 
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The combined figure above for the Prius fits what I showed in my dashboard photo for my overall mpg after 15,800 miles, to get that figure you have to have recorded a considerable amount of much higher mpg and obviously some lower.
After 10 years of driving a Prius I know all the tricks and whether what is written in revues is incorrect etc.

Here is a good example which I've proven countless times, if I drive 2.5 miles to town in winter it will take one mile to warm up the engine till it cuts off, when I arrive in town it will show around 50mpg. If I park and spend an hour or so and then drive back it will be better and around 60mpg because the engine will cut off in less than 1/2 a mile as it still retains some heat.

However if I drive to town to drop the wife off and come straight back it will record about 74mpg for a 5 mile trip, from that you can gather that the Prius doesn't like very short trips because it has less chance of a long run with the engine off.
In hot weather the engine will turn off in 1/4 mile
 
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The question is though,
if total hybrid ownership cost is not significantly/less than equiavlent petrols, because the higher depreciation offsets the fuel saving, then the choice becomes an environmental one ? maybe - albeit for a model3 (ok full ev) the addtional battery environmental cost represents driving a 2L car, A6 was the xample they gave, for 30K miles.
 
jpaul said:
then the choice becomes an environmental one ?
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The way things are going now then the answer has to be yes, it's not just about how much fuel you will save anymore, it's also about how you view the now proven environmental damage from diesel exhaust fumes.

You will still get remarks about the production of batteries etc but would you like to continue sitting at traffic lights or in a long queue at a busy junction whilst spewing out toxic diesel fumes? or sit in a vehicle that turns off every time you stop?
 
Not sure it’s that binary. My diesel turns off at every stop, infact at about 12mph it’s off whilst slowing. 48V MHEV though.

with reference to residuals, that is changing rapidly.
 
Usher said:
You will still get remarks about the production of batteries
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this is article I had read https://www.popularmechanics.com/ca...7039/tesla-battery-emissions-study-fake-news/
presumably ev batteries can be re-cycled which they don't seem to consider.

stop/start - I don't have it, but, as a frequent cyclist, often see people especially at roundabouts, (firstly stopping because they can't judge the traffic ) emerging dangerously because of the 1s pause as the engine restarts.

Jonnycoupe said:
with reference to residuals, that is changing rapidly
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you think ? like with more complex car electronics + turbos/dpf's, a 2nd hand hybrid post warranty seems risky, versus a NA petrol.
the prius has been around a while, but despite that, the example I gave still sees similar 50p running cost to a yaris (ok that's a bit smaller)
 
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