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Except when he contradicts himself and (currently) has been shown to be misleading and wrong by many, many more legal scholars.
 
Sigh, he has said it several times at rallies and press conferences but I am glad you see it for what it is - "a nutter making things up". Took you a while to come round and realise Trump was a nutter but you got there in the end,.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-jokes-about-running-for-third-term-in-2024/

https://theweek.com/articles/884059/trumps-3term-trolling

I cant be bothered to bring up the page after page of all the times he has said it at rallies. Go fill your boots if you seem to have missed speech after speech referring to a third term.

And here is an article about how Trump could do that.

https://www.ozy.com/news-and-politics/donald-dossier-how-trump-runs-for-a-third-term/249298/

Did you even read the links you posted.....

Trump jokes about running for third term in 2024
 
Shame its not actually a proper criminal trial, then there might actually be some impartiality and fairness.

If they did, then the house would have got their **** together and done a proper case for prosecution, as it is they didn't, so Trump gets a free pass from the house.

Though this is the US and rife with corruption so maybe not..... #GOPCoverUp

Here we go, CNN/MSNBC script in, Happy Conspiracy Theory day.

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Did you even read the links you posted.....

Trump jokes and trolls. That is the articles take on what he meant. Equally you could claim that he is joking about building the wall and having mexico pay for it. I suspect the number of times he has now mentioned about standing for a third term and then his daughter being POTUS for another three adds up to as many times as he has mentioned the wall now.

So how do we know which bits he is joking on as you take everything else he says as gospel? Whereas we know 84% of what he says is a lie.
 
Trump jokes and trolls. That is the articles take on what he meant. Equally you could claim that he is joking about building the wall and having mexico pay for it. I suspect the number of times he has now mentioned about standing for a third term and then his daughter being POTUS for another three adds up to as many times as he has mentioned the wall now.

So how do we know which bits he is joking on as you take everything else he says as gospel? Whereas we know 84% of what he says is a lie.

You forget they have a explanation for that as well. You dont take the President literally, you have to interpret his meaning somehow...... and when that doesnt work you dont believe your eyes and ears. :D

PS what happened to all the talk about underground sensors under the wall he was bragging about? Guess it went the same direction of Mexico going to pay for it because we dont hear about it anymore.

EDIT - my bad, i forgot that idea got superseded by the moat with snakes and alligators.
 
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It's quite funny at Trump supporters in that tweet @deuse getting all uppity about the arrogance and dismissiveness from CNN (can't watch the video now but I am not questioning it), as if Trump hasn't been arrogant or dismissive his whole life.

It's like with Johnson and Trump as well - it's fine if their guy does the lying, it's just an issue when others do it.
 
Yes its more factually accurate than Fox but it's still a pretty awful network to be fair. American's got it rough when it comes to decent news networks, the BBC is some kind of unbiased nirvana relative to US networks.
Pretty much this. The opinion show hosts on both CNN and Fox are pretty difficult to watch.
 
There is no double standard from me. I am never fine with the democrats bending the truth and I don’t support or like them. The problem is you have a double standard where the smallest thing even if it’s a debunked conspiracy theory or hearsay against the democrats you jump on it as it’s the truth saying it needs looking into. But if it’s against Trump even with x5 more evidence behind it you won’t accept it or think about the possibility of it being true or that is should be fairly investigated.

That’s all I want a fair and reasonable investigation. Surly you can see there is enough evidence to say someone should be looking into the evidence against Trump. Even if its not made public for security reasons the evidence should be looked, not suppressed and hidden away like Trumps is doing.

Well there is a double standard, because Obama did the same thing, what you are failing to understand is the President is an enforcer, i've said it several times now, but i don't think you quite understand what that means. Obama used executive privilege with the gun running scandal, do i think Obama was secretly working with gangs to get them guns, no, its very unlikely, isn't it. There isn't 5x the evidence, a couple of examples would be the recent audio by Parnas, everyone was using that as evidence that the president should be removed, but he's allowed to fire an ambassador. How that helps the case, ive no idea.
Another would be the GAO statement, apparently Trump broke the law, but was Obama removed from office for breaking it 7 times? No.


If we turn this around you wouldn’t accept this behavior from the democrat’s so why do you accept it from Trump? You wouldn’t accept the democrats voting and succeeding to suppress evidence against one of their own and then the democrat leader boasting about having material that they are not handing over. Why is that ok for Trump?

See above. That behaviour did happen, i certainly wasn't up in arms and thinking Obama should be removed, it's the whole enforcer thing again, they are allowed to step outside the law slightly if they think its for the greater good.

Of course there are corrupt democrats but I don’t know of any that get anywhere near the amount of corruption or dishonesty Trump is known for. Now answer me this. Trump has been completely dishonest and lied a lot on TV the past few days. Why do you find that acceptable and ok? You haven’t called him out on it once.

You'll need to be more specific, why don't you call out Schiff's lying regarding impeachment?


What little is good is just lingering from the last president. Under Trump the economically is in a dreadful state with massive debt spiraling out of control on the way to bankruptcy. Government shutdowns making them look like a 3rd world country. Trump is running a 82.2% fail rate on policies. In that small success rate includes the pulling out of the Paris climate deal because he is an idiot who doesn’t understand how wind power works. Hardly a real success. Trump’s results are terrbile.

Trump is also running a record on dishonesty and lies being told, massively beyond other recently presidents. Trumps fact checked scorecard is currently 71% of what he says is false, if you add in the stuff that is half true it goes up to 85% is false. Only 15% is true. That’s how dishonest he is and its massively worse then a typical politician. How can you find that acceptable? He doesn't even work full works not starting till 11m or later and on average working 3 or 4 day weeks as he is spending so much working time instead playing golf. It’s the lying, mocking and dishonesty I don’t like most of all.

Surveys from voters say otherwise, consumer confidence in the economy was 40% when Obama left office, its now 60%. The US debt is 20 trillion, Trump isn't responsible for that, that's decades of losing ground to China.

Barrons, WSJ, Institutional Investor would all disagree with your assertion that the economy is in the dregs, its literally the best economy in the world at the moment, and that's backed up by stock market confidence, consumer and business confidence. The Chinese Coronavirus could unravel all that though, will you blaming Trump if the virus does spook the markets?


Trump isn’t giving China a tougher stance he has been a complete joke against China losing out and given them what they want. Trump has gained nothing against China. Trump caused massive US Job losses and companies to go bankrupt only to sign practically the same deal with China as they had before everything started. One giant fail. China won and got everything they wanted while the US came out with the same deal as the started. Just like NK and all the others is a giant fail on Trumps sheet.

Trump hasn’t done anything for the greater good. All he has done is benefit his Elite 1% friends while fooling a bunch of every day working people.

I've posted about this book several times in the Trump thread.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stealth-Wa..._1?keywords=stealth+war&qid=1580239715&sr=8-1

Read it then come back to me about China. What's happening now should have happened a long time ago, Obama was told over and over to start doing something about it but didn't, why? Because it would have hurt him politically. Trump doesn't care about being hurt politically it seems, he's willing to do it so China doesn't take over. The commodities in the deal are a show really, although important to certain individuals, the bigger picture is the control of high security infrastructure. Why do you think Huawei has been in the news so much? You shouldn't want Trump to fail on this China thing, if you do, then you are extremely naive to what the CCP are like.
 
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Well there is a double standard, because Obama did the same thing, what you are failing to understand is the President is an enforcer, i've said it several times now, but i don't think you quite understand what that means. Obama used executive privilege with the gun running scandal, do i think Obama was secretly working with gangs to get them guns, no, its very unlikely, isn't it. There isn't 5x the evidence, a couple of examples would be the recent audio by Parnas, everyone was using that as evidence that the president should be removed, but he's allowed to fire an ambassador. How that helps the case, ive no idea.
Another would be the GAO statement, apparently Trump broke the law, but was Obama removed from office for breaking it 7 times? No.




See above. That behaviour did happen, i certainly wasn't up in arms and thinking Obama should be removed, it's the whole enforcer thing again, they are allowed to step outside the law slightly if they think its for the greater good.

What was Obama accused of in relation to this gun running thing and how is it relevant? Was Obama being accused of impeachable conduct in relation to it?
 
So basically, to summarise, The White House ordered everyone not testify, and some like Kupperman, and then Bolton went to court to get a judge to decide on whether they should testify or not.

While that's how the MSM have framed it and Trump has been vocal about it, the house always had the right to force witnesses to testify and then get officially blocked by the executive branch.

This is the precedent set in other impeachments and is how it works regardless whether youdisagree and I agree...

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/Origins_WatergateIssuingSubpoena.htm

When a former aide to President Richard Nixon revealed the existence of a White House taping system to the Senate Watergate Committee on July 16, 1973, the committee requested access to the tapes. The president refused, prompting the committee to vote unanimously on July 23, 1973, to subpoena recordings and related documents. When the president refused to comply with the subpoena, he created a constitutional crisis that ended with a landmark Supreme Court decision, United States v. Nixon (1974), requiring the president to relinquish the tapes and documents.

So to answer your point 3, once those involved had refused to testify to Congress after being officially invited to, the next route is subpeonas which would have been challenged in court immediately . As many Dems at the time pointed out though, this would start a long and protracted legal battle which could have taken months, if not years and would have no doubt made it all the way to the Supreme Court. This would have been a pointless waste of time and there is even massive precedent from the Nixon impeachment that utterly undermines the White House's claim to absolute immunity and their use of executive privilege to block everything from Congress.

Yes, a possible longish battle in court but as above, that's the process. The house did the court process in Nixon's impeachment, won and got the evidence they needed. They took the time to get all the evidence they needed for a good/strong case. In the end, they did a good enough job and force Nixon to resign before impeachment proceeded.

This is not a pointless waste of time as they had a good/strong case that had a good chance of conviction but Nixon bailed.

So the Dems instead decided that their case for abuse of power was already strong enough without these testimonies, and no doubt as it was a matter of national security and they want him removed from office, the sooner the better. With all this stonewalling, the obstruction of congress article of impeachment writes itself...

OK, we'll see how that goes. I still think they should have taken the time to get stronger evidence. Still seems to be a half arsed attempt at impeachment.
 
What was Obama accused of in relation to this gun running thing and how is it relevant? Was Obama being accused of impeachable conduct in relation to it?

Much easier if you read about it yourself, just search for articles from the time period.
 
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e: Holy Moley. I clicked on 'find all content by plasmahal' and it is page after page of his posts on this thread with virtually no break. I think there was one Airfix post, and 2 moaning about Greta, but the rest are just a ... screed ... of posts about Donald Trump.

WTF dude?
 
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