Donald Trump

hominid · 31 Jan 2020 at 17:21

neckbeardthethird said:
You know why, because the senate is controlled by Republicans.

He wouldn't have been impeached if the house wasn't controlled by the dems - it's a circular argument..

I've watched hours of Schiffs' 'testimony' and there is not one bit of actual evidence, all hearsay and spin. From what I've watched of the defense it's soo much more convincing - they have actual evidence.. Compare the video of Schiff paraphrasing what trump said to the actual transcipt - if you wasn't biased you could see it right there. Schiff is a disgrace, but he's so entwined he's there to cover his own backside.

neckbeardthethird said:
If there is nothing to hide and he's done nothing wrong why won't they allow all the witnesses to speak at the trial?

The dems are fishing for anything, they have nothing on trump and were trying to use this as a fishing expedition.

neckbeardthethird said:
and why has Trump changed his story countless times ?

Don't know, ask him. He's a politician, they are slippery buggers.

neckbeardthethird said:
Basically why does an innocent man keep doing all the things that obviously guilty people do ?

That's both conjecture and subjective, how so?

neckbeardthethird said:
and why does the GOP's defense of him keep changing each time new stuff comes to light ?

Again, politicians do that, unless they drop themselves in it you don't have anything.

Please read this: https://twitter.com/GregRubini/status/1223001808827797516 You may begin to see how invested Schiff is, his neck, along with others(Nuland, Joe Biden, John Brennan, & Barack Obama) are on the line. They are trying to cover up the Us's involvement in the Ukrane Coup!

Trusty · 31 Jan 2020 at 17:38

The guy doesn't back it up with any evidence though, it all sounds good but its not enough

https://www.donbass-insider.com/202...unches-investigation-on-poroshenko-and-obama/

hmmm...seems like its connected to this.

Trusty · 31 Jan 2020 at 17:41

Pottsey said:
“There were 12 people listening to that call to Zelensky, if there was a smoking gun in there, you would have thought there would be more than 1 whistleblower. “

More then one person has come forward to say Trump is guilty. One of which says he was trying to use back channels to arrange meetings with Zelensky for Trump, before the phone call to explained how the aid and other things where being withhold pending the investigation. We have no reason to believe those people are not telling the truth and if they are that means Trump commented a crime. Remember when this all started there was there was talk of Whitehouse staff becoming aware of unofficial back-channels that shouldn’t be there bypassing them and main channel? The person involved in that unofficial backchannel said he was under Trump’s orders soliciting foreign aid against a political rival.

Who is this person you are talking about?

hominid · 31 Jan 2020 at 17:48

Trusty said:
https://www.donbass-insider.com/202...unches-investigation-on-poroshenko-and-obama/

hmmm...seems like its connected to this.

It's all connected.. Think about it in a geo-political way, control of oil and gas pipelines for the next few decades at least. Read 'The Grand Chessboard' by Zbigniew Brzezinski, these people think of countries like pieces on a chessboard.

So you know how they did it and also why they did it..

neckbeardthethird · 31 Jan 2020 at 17:48

hominid said:
He wouldn't have been impeached if the house wasn't controlled by the dems - it's a circular argument..

Yes, but how you think that makes the dems look bad is beyond me.

hominid said:
I've watched hours of Schiffs' 'testimony' and there is not one bit of actual evidence, all hearsay and spin.

Moaning about a lack of evidence when the GOP have gone out of their way to not allow certain evidence to be submitted is quite something

hominid said:
The dems are fishing for anything, they have nothing on trump and were trying to use this as a fishing expedition.

Nothing apart from numerous first hand witnesses (who trump employed) who have grassed on him, none of whom are being allowed to give evidence at the trial.

Genius strategy tbh, don't allow any evidence at the trial and then sell the idea to clueless people that there is no evidence because the libs don't have any.

hominid said:
Please read this: https://twitter.com/GregRubini/status/1223001808827797516 You may begin to see how invested Schiff is, his neck, along with others(Nuland, Joe Biden, John Brennan, & Barack Obama) are on the line. They are trying to cover up the Us's involvement in the Ukrane Coup!

Find me a credible source which isn't a random trump fan on twitter please, in his tweets he doesn't back up any of his claims with links to reports or evidence. For someone who goes on about needing evidence you sure are quick to not require evidence when its the right making bold claims.

Terminal_Boy · 31 Jan 2020 at 17:49

Is this show trial over?

chroniclard · 31 Jan 2020 at 18:00

Terminal_Boy said:
Is this show trial over?

Looking that way as the GOP are covering it up/refusing a fair trial.

plasmahal · 31 Jan 2020 at 18:11

chroniclard said:
Looking that way as the GOP are covering it up/refusing a fair trial.

cheesyboy · 31 Jan 2020 at 18:16

hominid said:
He wouldn't have been impeached if the house wasn't controlled by the dems - it's a circular argument..

I've watched hours of Schiffs' 'testimony' and there is not one bit of actual evidence, all hearsay and spin. From what I've watched of the defense it's soo much more convincing - they have actual evidence.. Compare the video of Schiff paraphrasing what trump said to the actual transcipt - if you wasn't biased you could see it right there. Schiff is a disgrace, but he's so entwined he's there to cover his own backside.

Mate, as pointed out, even the Senate Republicans are no longer denying he did exactly what was said he did. The evidence is in, everyone is convinced. The dispute now is that the Republicans are trying to spin it as being ok for a President to place his own interests over those of the country, to the extent that it covers them in the eyes of their electorate base to not find him guilty of the impeachment articles.

neckbeardthethird · 31 Jan 2020 at 18:18

plasmahal said:
lol

If Biden was on trial and the Dems went out of their way to not allow evidence to be submitted and had ignored subpoenas would you consider it a fair trial ?

No you wouldn't.

It's objectively an unfair trial but at the same time it's a bit tiring hearing Dems go on about it as they knew this would happen from the very beginning.

Pottsey · 31 Jan 2020 at 18:35

Trusty said:
Who is this person you are talking about?

Back in November we found out there was an irregular team conducting back-channel negotiations with Ukraine bypassing the official US ambassadors. That turned out to be Lev and Rudy working directly for Trump but not as official government staff but as private citizens working for Trump to bypass the official government staff.

According to Lev’s statement backed up by his evidence he was taking orders directly from Trump and told Ukraine he was working for Trump. He said the motivation to get rid of the Ambassador Yovanovitch was to obtain dirt on Joe Biden. He also said the investigation wasn’t to get rid of corruption but to the aim was soliciting foreign aid against a political rival (Biden) all because Trump wanted an advantage in the 2020 race. This is backed up by what was the U.S. National Security Advisor saying he distances himself from what he viewed as the Trump administration's effort to pressure Ukraine into investigating the President's political rivals.

Its why this is a show trail and a complete joke. The Republicans voted none of the evidence is allowed nor are people directly involved allowed to testify. A trail without witness’s or evidence being allowed to be summited is not a real trail.

We all know what the outcome is going to be because its rigged which was what many of us said from the start. Many of the people voting on both sides, for and against made there minds up what to vote before the trial even started which is just completely wrong. We should be able to pretty much guess what the finial vote will be because the past weeks have been a show joke. 53-47 give or take.

chroniclard · 31 Jan 2020 at 18:45

hominid said:
I've watched hours of Schiffs' 'testimony' and there is not one bit of actual evidence, all hearsay and spin. From what I've watched of the defense it's soo much more convincing - they have actual evidence.. Compare the video of Schiff paraphrasing what trump said to the actual transcipt - if you wasn't biased you could see it right there. Schiff is a disgrace, but he's so entwined he's there to cover his own backside.

Sorry but you are, to put it bluntly, a fool.

hominid · 31 Jan 2020 at 21:14

chroniclard said:
Sorry but you are, to put it bluntly, a fool.

I take it you didn't then, straight to the insult - nice work..

Not even a try to disprove what I said, look in the mirror I say.

//edit, What is it with today's kids? Can't argue a point, the whole point of a forum like this is exchange of ideas but people are getting less and less able to think critically. They think they win some sort of point by going straight to insults, but all it shows is a total lack of understanding and an inability to argue any point of view.

People like the one above adds very little to this forum, a forum that was once a great place for both technical and non-technical topics. Now, if anyone has a point that, like the above name caller, instead of forming a coherent argument they show their lack of understanding on a topic which, from what I can tell, is well above your level of comprehension.

Chew on that, I expect ' your an ******* idiot' - do yourself proud!

Yas786 · 31 Jan 2020 at 21:47

Wow someone got their delicate sensibilities hurt, such aggression lol.

And again for the millionth time Trump asking a foreign country to investigate his political rival is illegal. Maybe if he stopped doing such nonsense then he wouldn’t get impeached

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plasmahal · 31 Jan 2020 at 21:48

neckbeardthethird said:
If Biden was on trial and the Dems went out of their way to not allow evidence to be submitted and had ignored subpoenas would you consider it a fair trial ?

I'd force subpoenas, use the courts to get the evidence i wanted. That's how you do it.

hominid · 31 Jan 2020 at 23:07

Yas786 said:
Wow someone got their delicate sensibilities hurt, such aggression lol.

He came at me and I put him in his place, he's a low IQ mouth breather that doesn't think for himself like quite a few on here.

Yas786 said:
And again for the millionth time Trump asking a foreign country to investigate his political rival is illegal. Maybe if he stopped doing such nonsense then he wouldn’t get impeached .

No, the whole thing was a farce - only some of us could see it for what it was. It isn't illegal, he didn't ask for himself he asked for the country, Trump knows where the skeletons are buried and he has a swamp to drain.

Russian interference was a hoax, this was a hoax - lets have a guess what the next hoax is going to be..?

And the best thing of all, the Democrats will lose the next election because of this witch-hunt, they've tried for nearly 3 years to pin something on Trump and they've failed - BADLY.

neckbeardthethird · 31 Jan 2020 at 23:30

hominid said:
He came at me and I put him in his place, he's a low IQ mouth breather that doesn't think for himself like quite a few on here.

if you don't agree with my stance then you're not thinking for yourself, much wisdom.

hominid said:
he didn't ask for himself he asked for the country, Trump knows where the skeletons are buried and he has a swamp to drain.

All the people he's been firing are people he employed, such great swamp draining

mmj_uk · 31 Jan 2020 at 23:32

There would have been witnesses but the corrupt Democrats won't allow Quid Pro Quo Joe, Hunter Biden and the whistle blower to be revealed or questioned, just like in the house they want to be able to throw stones without the Republicans being allowed to throw anything back even though most of the questions that need answering are clearly on the Democrat side of the fence.

chroniclard · 31 Jan 2020 at 23:40

hominid said:
I take it you didn't then, straight to the insult - nice work..

Not even a try to disprove what I said, look in the mirror I say.

//edit, What is it with today's kids? Can't argue a point, the whole point of a forum like this is exchange of ideas but people are getting less and less able to think critically. They think they win some sort of point by going straight to insults, but all it shows is a total lack of understanding and an inability to argue any point of view.

People like the one above adds very little to this forum, a forum that was once a great place for both technical and non-technical topics. Now, if anyone has a point that, like the above name caller, instead of forming a coherent argument they show their lack of understanding on a topic which, from what I can tell, is well above your level of comprehension.

Chew on that, I expect ' your an f'ing idiot' - do yourself proud!

You have no point. You are basically just ignoring all the evidence because you have some affinity with the orange baffoon. Probably a CT peddler as well as being an ignorant idiot.

It's basically advanced TDS.

Yas786 · 31 Jan 2020 at 23:47

hominid said:
He came at me and I put him in his place, he's a low IQ mouth breather that doesn't think for himself like quite a few on here.

No, the whole thing was a farce - only some of us could see it for what it was. It isn't illegal, he didn't ask for himself he asked for the country, Trump knows where the skeletons are buried and he has a swamp to drain. Russian interference was a hoax, this was a hoax - lets have a guess what the next hoax is going to be..?

And the best thing of all, the Democrats will lose the next election because of this witch-hunt, they've tried for nearly 3 years to pin something on Trump and they've failed - BADLY.

So anyone that doesn’t agree with you is a low level IQ mouth breather then?? As I said your poor delicate sensibilities got hurt lol. But you aren’t man enough to admit it :shrug:

As for it being a farce?? Sure if you say so, not that many will agree with you on that. I’m not going to go through why it is illegal and why he was impeached as it would be fruitless.

I mean I’d probably get more satisfaction punching myself in the nuts repeatedly than trying for the millionth time by many others on here, explaining as to why what your dear orange POS did was illegal

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As for draining the swamp?? Lmao if he really wants to drain it then he best start with himself as he is truly a corrupt POS. Just sad that what the world sees as a democracy in the USA isn’t anything like a democracy right now.