Donald Trump

[hominid]

Just to get this straight - you're both condoning pathological liars including Trump and Biden?

So very slippery of you..

I was never a supporter of Trump until I saw the vicious way that the Democrats/DNC/Hillary have both gone after him and tried to smear him. Most of it has backfired but there will always be people, like you that believe every word. to paraphrase a famous saying - 'They protested too much'..

Also, all politicains lie, they have to to keep both their constituents and donors happy. But Biden is on another scale, in a totally different league! It's also infested the Democratic party and as far as I'm concerned most are dirty/tainted/compromised. So no, they are not in the same camp, not even remotely.

 

[doodah]

Thanks, got you. I can't stand Biden and he does lie a fair bit but you would need to be lobotomised to believe someone who has told over 16,000 lies as president is actually less of a liar than Biden.

Very slippery of you, ignore reality, reframe to suit your world view. Oh and no one is going to believe you aren't a Trump supporter (before the vicious impeachment) - it's literally the first trope of you non-supporters.

I have to ask hominid - what level of liar do you class Trump? The political norm? A little more than average? Rampant? Church saint?

Edit - @hominid it seems you have liked Trump for years now even predicting Clinton would be more of a war-hawk than Clinton - excellent prediction right there!

 

[chroniclard]

Not sure Trump actually means to deliberately lie every day or if he is just a moron.

 

[timmeh]

Again, he hasn't had much time to focus on it, but I'm sure, now that this is out of the way, that he'll be on it considering what has been thrown at him already.. He doesn't have to rush it as I'm sure he'll get another 4 years!

He hasn't had time?! Come on... He plays golf every weekend. I guess that's because he needs a break, right? He explicitly tied the aid to investigating BIDEN, not corruption.

I already answered this in the mean time.. He used people he trusted, people that he's known for decades, both lawyers and business associates.

Trump doesn't trust his own DOJ, a DOJ run by people he hired? Does this not concern you?

Biden did this.

Not sure how this is relevant to Trump firing an ambassador who was working on routing out corruption, something you think Trump was wanting to do.

Also this video is how old? Why didn't the Republican controlled congress investigate this at the time if it was a crime?

he's been busy with all the hoaxes going one, first the Russian election meddling and now fighting the impeachment - but that was all by design.

Sure, it's all a huge coincidence.

Again, if they can prove something in law it didn't happen. The Dems called 18 witnesses to Reps 0 and still LOST, it was obviously a sham and everyone saw through it.

They 'lost' because the Republicans controlled the trial and had made up their mind to acquit Trump before it even started. Don't forget that Republicans are publicly admitting that Trump did tie the aid to investigating Biden (not corruption, Biden).

Again, if you can't prove it in law it didn't happen - sometimes that sucks.

What? You can't prove anything is someone is fighting so hard to hide all the evidence.

 

[kinetic747]

Not sure Trump actually means to deliberately lie every day or if he is just a moron.

I think it's more a case of him having absolutely no idea what he's doing and being a braggart to boot.

 

[Kyo]

Very slippery of you, ignore reality, reframe to suit your world view. Oh and no one is going to believe you aren't a Trump supporter (before the vicious impeachment) - it's literally the first trope of you non-supporters.

LoL- Thats the standard retort these days. The old "i am not a supporter but/until...." HaHa

Not sure Trump actually means to deliberately lie every day or if he is just a moron.

I think its both intentional and unintentional depending on the situation, sometimes its because he isnt normally well informed and doesnt do any research. So tends to make up facts, Trump's alternative facts.

His whole Fake News spiel is a defense mechanism where he apples to most people/organization that he disapproves or gives an negative opinion. Its a routine where most of his hardcore base falls for because he has them eating out of his hand no matter what he says.

 

[doodah]

My God - has anyone seen hominid's post history on Trump? No wonder this thread is like a breeding ground for them.

• No proof the Russians hacked the DNC
• Implies Seth Rich was murdered (edit - apologies I meant implied the murder was shady rather than a robbery)
• Thought things would change under Trump - I presume in the context of less war/aggression
• Thought Hillary was hiding some serious illness, possible Parkison's
• Accuses the Democrats of being extreme left-wing idiologs who want to take all guns off Americans
• Funnily enough - defines someone who repeatedly lies and lies (James Comey) is a bad actor. Trump simply gets a free pass

Ridiculous .

 

[hominid]

Thanks, got you. I can't stand Biden and he does lie a fair bit but you would need to be lobotomised to believe someone who has told over 16,000 lies as president is actually less of a liar than Biden.

To be honest I'm not even to attempt to go through that list so, but that will be 16000/700(days)=22 lies per day - that's doable. I bet, but again don't know, that a lot of those will be him bragging on twitter - but again I can't verify.

Very slippery of you, ignore reality, reframe to suit your world view. Oh and no one is going to believe you aren't a Trump supporter (before the vicious impeachment) - it's literally the first trope of you non-supporters.

I liked Trump just because he didn't give a crap about what he said, I would say of course he exagerated/lied, as I said everyone, especially politicians, do, and as a president, and as a person, in the realm of ~20 lies per day is doable.

I have to ask hominid - what level of liar do you class Trump?

The political norm? [/QUOTE]A little more than average? [/QUOTE]Rampant? Church saint?[/QUOTE] This is what I think.. I would like to believe Trump is trying to drain the swamp but obviously he isn't getting very far - yet. I think there is possibly a lot of things going on in the background, like sealed indictments, for which we are yet to hear about. That's what I like to thin, if that is happening only time will tell.

One of two things will happen, either Trump does start unearthing these treasonous people and it'll be the biggest scandal in American history or he will get killed off, assassinated.

Edit - @hominid it seems you have liked Trump for years now even predicting Clinton would be more of a war-hawk than Clinton - excellent prediction right there!

That wasn't much of a guess, Hillary was wanting war with Russia over Syria which even the generals said would start WW3. Plus, I think, she is very ill - so she would have been a shadow president, Like Reagan(who slept whilst VP George Bush ruled) - just a continuation of Obama. But what happened wasn't foreseen, Trump won and all of their, mainly the Democrats, mis-deads could come to light as they hadn't covered their tracks as they assumed Clinton was going to walk it. She didn't win hence why they are fighting tooth and nail throwing everything they can to slow him, Trump, down. That's what I think at the moment, it may change in the future but this isn't going to happen overnight - obviously. But if Trump gets another 4 years, like I think he will, I expect the crap to hit the fan again with more allegations etc.

 

[doodah]

Recap as you quoting skills appear to have taken a break (edit - ignore, fixed now ).

• Actually trying to justify Trump's lies with maths - brilliant (the daily average has significantly increased by the way - surely not a good sign)
• You like Trump because he doesn't care (many would argue - it's think) when and what speaks
• Trump is going to unearth treasonous people and it will be the biggest scandal (a bit like his millions of illegal voters in 2016 I guess) in American history - otherwise he will be assassinated
• Completely ignored all of your other CT predictions whilst ignoring; Trump has massively increased drone strikes, risked further destabilisation in Israel/Palestine with the movement of the embassy and his peace plan that didn't involve the Palestinians, risked further destabilisation and a complete betrayal by letting the Turks roll in and screw over the Kurds and again risked further destabilisation by assassinating Solemani and then lied/changed the story as to why he did it

Thank you so much for enlightening us.

 

[chroniclard]

Trump has uncovered tons of corruption. Unfortunately its all his mates/people he hired.

 

[hominid]

My God - has anyone seen hominid's post history on Trump? No wonder this thread is like a breeding ground for them.

No proof the Russians hacked the DNC

Bill Binnie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(intelligence_official), gave information that all but proved the DNC information was copied to a USB2 drive, file lengths/copy speed lines up with USB2 device used.

3 Minutes in or so for Seth Rich info, but the real info about USB transfer speeds starts around the 10 minute mark. And I think Lucifer2.0 is a hoax, a cover for the facts of DNC leak - Seth Rich was the leaker.

Implies Seth Rich was murdered

He was murdered, he was shot in the back for christs sake, in a very affluent part of DC in a robbery, as the police called it, nothing was stolen - and he just so happened to be the IT guy for the DNC which just had it's email plastered all over wikileaks. It almost certainly cost Hillary the election.

Thought things would change under Trump - I presume in the context of less war/aggression

That and more.. Hillary is a know war hawk, she was the one responsible for the mess that is Libya. He, just for contrast, really f'd over the Palistinians, the 'deal' he just brokered is an absolute mess! So no, I'm not all for Trump, especially when his closeness with the Israelis is invovled!

Thought Hillary was hiding some serious illness, possible Parkison's

I still think that.

Accuses the Democrats of being extreme left-wing idiologs who want to take all guns off Americans

Not 'extreme left wing', I don't really care for the left/right paradigm. But yes, the democrats are after the guns, they are doing it city by city at the moment. And just to be clear, I'm not fan of guns, I hate them in fact, but it's in their constitution that they have a right to bare arms - simple as that.

Funnily enough - defines someone who repeatedly lies and lies (James Comey) is a bad actor. Trump simply gets a free pass

Again, mis-characterisation, which is becoming the norm for you sadly.. I will talk to people about anything but keep it civil, I only attack someone that attacks me first. Comey is a verified lier, I used to like him when he looked squeaky clear. As I said I can re-evaluate people with no issues, those views can and do change over time if I get enough information to the contrary.

Ridiculous .

Not from where I sit, but apart from that you summed it up quite well.

 

[doodah]

Trump is a verified liar and you simply said they all do it and implied 22 a day isn't that bad. The Democrats had 8 years to take all the guns - got really far didn't they? Don't care for left/right paradigm - "left-wing idiologs" is a quote by you!

Notice the same get out clause; I don't support Trump, I don't like guns. It's the modern day equivalent of "I'm not racist but....". So you liked Comey when he was 'clean' but didn't when he wasn't? Yet defend Trump despite everything he's done and has always been like this.

I don't know why you won't just admit it. You like Trump, you like his values, you like his worldview and if you could vote for him - you would. I don't get people like you who defend him until you're blue but won't actually admit the rest.

And what are you on about attacks against you . Not being civil. You have completely lost me.

 

[hominid]

Actually trying to justify Trump's lies with maths - brilliant (the daily average has significantly increased by the way - surely not a good sign)

How many lies does the average man make? 2 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/.../how-often-do-people-lie-in-their-daily-lives I'm not trying to justify anything, context matters! He may have to speak to a head of state that he doesn't like, therefor he will surely lie - so what? What does it even prove? Nothing! He's a lier, so what, everyone lies - even you.

You like Trump because he doesn't care (many would argue - it's think) when and what speaks

What does this mean?

Trump is going to unearth treasonous people and it will be the biggest scandal (a bit like his millions of illegal voters in 2016 I guess) in American history

Source? Nice insert by the way!

otherwise he will be assassinated

It can, and has in the past, happen - Trump is playing a VERY dangerous game.

Completely ignored all of your other CT predictions whilst ignoring; Trump has massively increased drone strikes, risked further destabilisation in Israel/Palestine

I already posted about this, keep up.

with the movement of the embassy and his peace plan that didn't involve the Palestinians,

That was a massively dick move by trump.

risked further destabilisation and a complete betrayal by letting the Turks roll in and screw over the Kurds

Same, dick move..

and again risked further destabilisation by assassinating Solemani and then lied/changed the story as to why he did it

I haven't covered this at all. I did say that I don't like one bit how close Trump is to the Israelis! I've commented about the USA Murdering Solemani, that's what it was, and he was a top official in Iran - again, a very dick move.

Thank you so much for enlightening us.

No problem, any more issues just ask.

 

[wesimmo]

Not sure Trump actually means to deliberately lie every day or if he is just a moron.

It's both.

He is incredibly stupid and lies because he is just ignorant but unwilling to admit to it so says things he doesn't know to be true.

He's also a sociopathic scumbag who will lie to anyone to make himself feel good.

 

[hominid]

Trump is a verified liar and you simply said they all do it and implied 22 a day isn't that bad. The Democrats had 8 years to take all the guns - got really far didn't they?

It's a hard thing to do. They have the pesky thing called 'The Constitution' that is in their way. They are getting there but it will take time, in the mean time they are blocking them city by city, but it definitely is a long term plan and I suspect it's been on the cards for 20 years or so.

Don't care for left/right paradigm - "left-wing idiologs" is a quote by you!

I was explaining to someone else, if it's what I'm thinking, and we both knew the terminology. I don't care for it, all these terms are used to split the populous, to divide people - a devided people are weaker by definition.

Notice the same get out clause; I don't support Trump, I don't like guns. It's the modern day equivalent of "I'm not racist but....".

Not at all, just because I don't like guns that doesn't mean that I think that no-one should have one - that's tyrannical!

So you liked Comey when he was 'clean' but didn't when he wasn't?

I liked him when I thought he was clean, there was 20 or so years he looked solid, now that everything about him has come out I know better.. It goes back to being able to change how you think about someone/something, I re-evaluate things when I hear new information - not everyone is that way as they cannot readjust there world view(for some they cannot take it psychologically).

Yet defend Trump despite everything he's done and has always been like this.

People are multifaceted. I like some things but I hate others, on the whole I think he's a positive force in the world considering the stakes!

I don't know why you won't just admit it. You like Trump, you like his values, you like his worldview and if you could vote for him - you would. I don't get people like you who defend him until you're blue but won't actually admit the rest.

No, I've said what I like and dislike about him and what I think is an amalgam of those thoughts.

And what are you on about attacks against you .

Being slimey or deceitful, I can't remember the comment but it was obvious you was trying to be underhanded - so I retaliated in kind. I've been reasonable since even though I think you are coming from a place of hatred(you hate trump).

Not being civil. You have completely lost me.

As explained above.

 

[hominid]

Biden kissing his GRAND-DAUGHTER!

Creepy Joe living up to his name.

 

[timmeh]

Didn't he also say that if she wasn't his grand-daughter then he'd probably be dating her?

But yeah, that's pretty weird.

 

[Skunkworks]

I'm just waiting for Granpa Joe to drop an N-bomb is one of his demented babblings.

 

[Werewolf]

Bill Binnie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(intelligence_official), gave information that all but proved the DNC information was copied to a USB2 drive, file lengths/copy speed lines up with USB2 device used.

3 Minutes in or so for Seth Rich info, but the real info about USB transfer speeds starts around the 10 minute mark. And I think Lucifer2.0 is a hoax, a cover for the facts of DNC leak - Seth Rich was the leaker.

*sighs*
You're posting that nonsense again?

"file lengths/copy speed lines up with usb2"

"copy speed" wow so every USB file copy works at the same speed regardless of file size, drive interface chip, drive memory chip types and how full the drive is? For someone posting on a computer forum you are making a very good case for someone who has never actually copied a file via USB, hint,you can copy the same file to a dozen different models of USB 2 memory sticks and get a dozen different results, and if you do it again you might get another dozen different results (especially if you're copying it to a stick that's already partially used), also ethernet file copies are highly variable as well depending on things like network and disk usage at both ends of the connection.

Or to put it another way claiming you can work out if something was copied by usb or ethernet due to the time it takes is one of the more stupid claims I've seen made recently, I've it take longer to the same files from Machine A to B than from B to C over ethernet (different disk speeds/network usage), and the same with using memory sticks (even two of the same brand and model).

I've also seen USB2 transfer both faster and slower than my 1gb lan at times let.

 

[doodah]

Being slimey or deceitful, I can't remember the comment but it was obvious you was trying to be underhanded - so I retaliated in kind. I've been reasonable since even though I think you are coming from a place of hatred(you hate trump).

As explained above.

You are making no sense whatsoever. Is questioning your previous theories with no evidence now considered an attack? Where have I been unreasonable? You defend someone who revels in hate and division but yes I can come from a place of hate. This is hilarious.