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You didn’t reply to my post pointing out Trump’s corruption. I assume that means you agree

No it means I don't reply to people that just want to name call and go backwards and forwards all day over the same nonsense, not got the energy nor the patience
 
Wow Pot Kettle anyone? Notice how you conveniently missed out the emphasis on "very good job" (get it right please) which any normal person in their right mind wouldn't then associate to success which backs up my original point he looking at this purely how he is perceived. Any number of deaths is not good full stop.

Good point, I edited my post with the correct quote but it doesn't change the fact that my post has the context there which the link/headline you provided didn't and - as always otherwise what's the point - context is important and should never be left out. I mean unless people are just trolling then surely people can see that a headline which says - Trump says 100k dead is a "Very Good Job" without telling people WHY he's saying that is disingenuous at best.

Also in this case, and I can't believe I'm having to explain this - if 2,000,000 were originally estimated to die, but now the estimate is only 100,000 might, that is a 95% decrease in the estimated number of dead which is still "Horrific" but it is also been "a very good job" to reduce those estimates 95% from 2,000,000 - context matters!

I know that there are many die-hard Trump detesters on here but just think for a split second about what is being reported and WHY it's being reported in the way it is rather than blindly hating, because what you read has often had all the important CONTEXT removed to score political points, rather than report factual events. When Trump lies, and he does regularly, call him out on them, but don't strip the context away from a quote just for point scoring, it's just churlish.
 
No it means I don't reply to people that just want to name call and go backwards and forwards all day over the same nonsense, not got the energy nor the patience
Haha you gave up after one post. I did none of those things. I want to hear how all those things I listed don’t flag as corrupt to you yet the Biden stuff does

I find it interesting how you pick apart anything that is against trump yet fail to do the same for things that are against his opposition
 
[..] Shows how much of a lunatic this Orange skinned cretin is, caring about ratings in a pandemic update like it's his presence making people tune in. :rolleyes:

You quoting what Trump actually said prompted me to take a look into it. I should have realised that it would have been generally misrepresented. Trump was talking about the media again, which he claims (with some justification) is utterly biased against him. His comment about how many people get to hear him directly and therefore without being misled was in that context, i.e. about the media. It's not about him.

I also found an interesting statement from Dr Fauci in an interview on a radio station that's not been widely disseminated. When asked about media coverage claiming a deep rift between him and Trump he replied:

That is really unfortunate. I would wish that that would stop because we have a much bigger problem here than trying to point out differences. There really, fundamentally at the core, when you look at things, there are not differences. The president has listened to what I have said and what the other people on the task force have said. When I have made recommendations he’s taken them; he’s never countered or overridden me; the idea of pitting one against the other is just not helpful. I wish that would stop and we’d look ahead at the challenge we have to pull together to get over this thing.

Here's a link to the radio station's own site: https://www.wmal.com/2020/03/24/lis...the-trump-admins-handling-of-the-coronavirus/

The more I look at claims about Trump the more deception and outright lies I find. I now think he has a point regarding his ranting about the media.
 
You quoting what Trump actually said prompted me to take a look into it. I should have realised that it would have been generally misrepresented. Trump was talking about the media again, which he claims (with some justification) is utterly biased against him. His comment about how many people get to hear him directly and therefore without being misled was in that context, i.e. about the media. It's not about him.

I also found an interesting statement from Dr Fauci in an interview on a radio station that's not been widely disseminated. When asked about media coverage claiming a deep rift between him and Trump he replied:



Here's a link to the radio station's own site: https://www.wmal.com/2020/03/24/lis...the-trump-admins-handling-of-the-coronavirus/

The more I look at claims about Trump the more deception and outright lies I find. I now think he has a point regarding his ranting about the media.
The alternative being that if he was overly critical he'd be out in an instant, more than likely to be replaced by a Trump sycophant. Fauci knows the score and thinks he can do more good on the inside.
 
Because Trump never lies or misleads, oh yeah thats right, he's may over 16000 in the last 1100 days, but hey, lets post about the media being mean to him.
 
Because Trump never lies or misleads, oh yeah thats right, he's may over 16000 in the last 1100 days, but hey, lets post about the media being mean to him.
Trump is his own worst enemy. He could choose to say very little and most of us wouldn't even be aware of his existence. He loves the spotlight though and then his personality takes over. When he's reading from a script he's monotone, he almost sends himself to sleep but when he ad libs, his narcissism takes over and that's where the majority of his criticism stems from.
 
The alternative being that if he was overly critical he'd be out in an instant, more than likely to be replaced by a Trump sycophant. Fauci knows the score and thinks he can do more good on the inside.

Exactly anyone that's crosses Trump has been removed. Then claim he had nothing to do with it. Been countless examples. Dr Fauci has worked through multiple administration. He knows the drill.

Because Trump never lies or misleads, oh yeah thats right, he's may over 16000 in the last 1100 days, but hey, lets post about the media being mean to him.

I do agree media can over embellish but doesn't detract from how bad Trump selectively choosing what is news. The only good media in his book is when it's full of praise ,congratulations and glorification but everything else that's negative must be fake is factually false. Look at the times he violated freedom of the press or how he has behaved atrociously when anyone has challenged him or fact checked him. Labelling them Enemy of the People and encouraging violence to reporters from a multitude of networks.

Here is some examples out of Trump's playbook.

@kinetic747 - Dr Fauci must know #4 :D

 
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You quoting what Trump actually said prompted me to take a look into it. I should have realised that it would have been generally misrepresented. Trump was talking about the media again, which he claims (with some justification) is utterly biased against him. His comment about how many people get to hear him directly and therefore without being misled was in that context, i.e. about the media. It's not about him.

I also found an interesting statement from Dr Fauci in an interview on a radio station that's not been widely disseminated. When asked about media coverage claiming a deep rift between him and Trump he replied:



Here's a link to the radio station's own site: https://www.wmal.com/2020/03/24/lis...the-trump-admins-handling-of-the-coronavirus/

The more I look at claims about Trump the more deception and outright lies I find. I now think he has a point regarding his ranting about the media.


Another great post.
But they won't listen to a word you say.
Which is a shame.
 
You quoting what Trump actually said prompted me to take a look into it. I should have realised that it would have been generally misrepresented. Trump was talking about the media again, which he claims (with some justification) is utterly biased against him. His comment about how many people get to hear him directly and therefore without being misled was in that context, i.e. about the media. It's not about him.
If only that were true, if it wasn't about him he wouldn't care what the ratings are or what the media say about him, he's be getting on with the job.

And i don't see how the WSJ misrepresented anything as AFAICT the article Trump railed against was an op-ed, you can't really misrepresent anything in those as they're the opinion of the author, the opinion of a single person, you either share that opinion or not.
 
If only that were true, if it wasn't about him he wouldn't care what the ratings are or what the media say about him, he's be getting on with the job.

And i don't see how the WSJ misrepresented anything as AFAICT the article Trump railed against was an op-ed, you can't really misrepresent anything in those as they're the opinion of the author, the opinion of a single person, you either share that opinion or not.

The mans a ******* loon, just have to watch his press conferences where he comes off as a sarcastic little man baby with a sore arse. Basically if any reporter isn't tonguing his arse they are hit with the sarcasm and "fake news" schtick. Then you look at his lackeys in the background visibly cringing as the moron can't stick to the script, and the minute he comes off script he just goes back to his "nobody knows more about *x* than me" or being a manbaby.
 
If only that were true, if it wasn't about him he wouldn't care what the ratings are or what the media say about him, he's be getting on with the job. [..]

That makes you out to be even less competent than he is. What the media say about a politician is a very big part of the job and, as I already explained, the ratings are about the media.
 
That makes you out to be even less competent than he is. What the media say about a politician is a very big part of the job and, as I already explained, the ratings are about the media.
It would be a good idea if you played the ball that you put into play rather than the man, calling someone incompetent adds nothing to the discussion, not to mention it's immature.

Also i thought the ratings where about how many people watched something, sure that relates to the media but to simplify it to such an extent does people a disservice. Do you think others are not intelligent enough to know there are a wide variety of reasons that people watch something, do you think that because 95m people watched OJ trying to get escape from the police that he was doing a great job or that the media were bias against him?
 
Got some latest true news to bring:

1000+ patients treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin "The HCQ-AZ combination, when started immediately after diagnosis, is a safe and efficient treatment for COVID-19, with a mortality rate of 0.5%, in elderly patients"


Yale Medical School now recommends Hydroxychloroquine

https://files-profile.medicine.yale.edu/documents/7801c631-3dcc-48fc-a438-3aa18f3b7130

Declassified transcript of Papadopoulos proves there was no Russian collusion

https://www.scribd.com/document/455...s-Oct-31-2016-conversation-with-FBI-informant

Declassified transcripts released show Papadopoulos with Jeffrey Wiseman, a "CHS", show he said he knew “for a fact” that nobody on the Trump campaign was involved in hacking the DNC. This exculpatory evidence was probably not presented to the FISA Court


Bill Barr: POTUS Did The Right Thing By Firing Inspector General Who Handled Ukraine Whistleblower Complaint

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/10/bill-barr-defends-trump-firing/

Barr defended Trump’s decision, saying that Atkinson went beyond his jurisdiction “and tried to turn it into a commission to explore anything in the government.”

“I think the president did the right thing in removing Atkinson,” He also said that Atkinson immediately reported information to Congress “without letting the executive branch look at it and determine whether there was any problem.”

“He was told this in a letter from the Department of Justice, and he has obliged to follow the interpretation of the Department of Justice and he ignored it,” said Barr.

“I think the president was correct in firing him.”
 
The man who massively misrepresented the Muller report and has covered for Trump from day 1 covers for Trump again. Shock horror.

There’s bipartisan support for an investigation into his firing.
 
It would be a good idea if you played the ball that you put into play rather than the man, calling someone incompetent adds nothing to the discussion, not to mention it's immature. [..]

That's particularly amusing given that this entire thing is solely about personality. But well done for the diversion. Also, I stand by my comment. What the media say about a high profile politician is a very big part of the job and anyone who claims to not understand that is either incompetent in politics or is being dishonest. Even Trump is competent enough in politics to understand that!

Incidentally, I wrote "less competent [than Trump]", not "incompetent". But that doesn't really matter.

Also i thought the ratings where about how many people watched something, sure that relates to the media but to simplify it to such an extent does people a disservice.[..]

The more people see a direct source for something, the more people can form their own opinions on it rather than relying on seeing only selected parts of it from indirect sources with a deliberate bias. That isn't doing anyone a disservice, except perhaps those who gain money and/or power from that bias.
 
That's particularly amusing given that this entire thing is solely about personality. But well done for the diversion. Also, I stand by my comment. What the media say about a high profile politician is a very big part of the job and anyone who claims to not understand that is either incompetent in politics or is being dishonest. Even Trump is competent enough in politics to understand that!
Is it? Who said it was about personality then?

And it wasn't a diversion, it was, a rather polite and gentle, response to you using personal insults. I would guess, based on what you've just said, it was an attempt to divert attention away from the salient point.

Also who said what the media say about high profile politicians isn't a big part of of the job? I most certainly didn't and i can't see where anyone else said so, in fact i specifically pointed out that ratings are multifaceted so it seems odd of you to say that i claimed what the media say was not part of the job, i assume you read what i actually said and not what you think i said?

Incidentally, I wrote "less competent [than Trump]", not "incompetent". But that doesn't really matter.

The more people see a direct source for something, the more people can form their own opinions on it rather than relying on seeing only selected parts of it from indirect sources with a deliberate bias. That isn't doing anyone a disservice, except perhaps those who gain money and/or power from that bias.
So you're going to play the semantics card? What exactly do you think "less competent" means?

I didn't say people seeing something through a supposed, to you at least, deliberate bias media is doing them a disservice, i said you're doing people a disservice by assuming they're not intelligent enough to understand that ratings are multifaceted, where you got, well I'm not sure how what you wrote above relates to what's being discussed if I'm honest, but where you got that from i simply don't know, you seem to be reading stuff into things that others are not.
 
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