780GTX Crashing at 60c

[RamboFB]

Hello,

I hope everyone is safe and well

I have a pretty old graphics card, a 780GTX HOF. Basically whenever the card reaches 55 - 60c, it crashes completely. First the screen will freeze, then black screen and then forces windows into restart. Now I did have an issue with this card, the fan fell off the heat sink while in my PC. So I managed to secure the fan back on with some bigger screws, cleaned off the existing paste and reapplied new paste, then the fan was secured back on.

I have tried Heaven bench, exact same result. I am monitoring via MSI afterburner.

What is interesting, is my wifi which is connected to the front USB is always disconnected when the PC restarts. I have to take the stick out and put it back in a few times before it will work again.

I am pretty confident that my card has the heat-sink connected properly as my idle temp is about 25 -30c, and the temp takes about 2 -3 mins to reach 55 - 60c, I was thinking if the heat-sink wasn't on properly it idle would be much higher and reach higher temps within seconds and potentially fry.

I will double check my heat-sink is on correct but can anyone else think of anything else that would maybe cause this?

Surely a safe temp for this card would 70 - 80c, maybe ever higher?

The only thing that I can think is MSI afterburner has a delay in reporting and the card is reaching much higher temps causing the crash.

Any help would be big help here.

 

[FlyingScotsman]

I would double check the block is correctly mounted and nothing is shorting or causing any issues.
I had a Titan Black and it would run up in the 90's when on air no issues.

 

[Rroff]

Core probably degrading - I've seen reports of those exact same symptoms with the Kepler cards - slightly undervolting and slightly down clocking might prevent it for awhile but usually gets worse over time.

 

[RamboFB]

I would double check the block is correctly mounted and nothing is shorting or causing any issues.
I had a Titan Black and it would run up in the 90's when on air no issues.

That's the kinda temps I was thinking. I will double check the card tomorrow. I really want to game tonight so I don't fancy touching it in case it does break. It has been pretty fragile in the past.

Core probably degrading - I've seen reports of those exact same symptoms with the Kepler cards - slightly undervolting and slightly down clocking might prevent it for awhile but usually gets worse over time.

This sounds probably more like whats going on. The card is 6-7 years old now, that's not a bad run. I think the old beast maybe has seen its best days. What would be a similar card in terms of today money?

 

[FlyingScotsman]

That's the kinda temps I was thinking. I will double check the card tomorrow. I really want to game tonight so I don't fancy touching it in case it does break. It has been pretty fragile in the past.



This sounds probably more like whats going on. The card is 6-7 years old now, that's not a bad run. I think the old beast maybe has seen its best days. What would be a similar card in terms of today money?

My Titan Black is still rocking albeit in my lads PC, still plays most games too

Good luck with your fault finding.

 

[jms198]

It may not be just the core temps. HWinfo64 monitors most sensors and may be worth logging everything before it crashes. PCB look ok and there is no funny smell?

 

[Nasher]

My MSI 780 went this way, eventually it died completely. Low quality components :/

You'll probably find it crashes as soon as it goes on to "boost clock", because it's no longer stable on them at stock speeds. Higher temperatures compound the issue because as the temperature rises stress on the components also rises.

 

[tyler_jrb]

Its likely just getting on a bit and starting to unfortunately die . Perhaps it’s time for it to visit your kitchen oven for a short bake at 200c for 10mins to reflow everything .

I had a brand new zotac 1080Ti that did that once. Ran 24/7 all day under 70c, even went to ocuk for testing for 24hrs where I’m guessing they have AC so stayed below that temp. Returned back to me and as soon as it hit 70c it crashed the system with a load of Mumbo jumbo on the screen.

So I’m guessing heat/temp perhaps either triggered something (overheating component). Or perhaps had some dodgy solder that wasn’t making a connection as the card got hot. As it ran all day long under 70c even at max overclock.

 

[RamboFB]

My Titan Black is still rocking albeit in my lads PC, still plays most games too

Good luck with your fault finding.

Certainly seems like a beast of a card, probably wouldn't go 2nd hand though.

It may not be just the core temps. HWinfo64 monitors most sensors and may be worth logging everything before it crashes. PCB look ok and there is no funny smell?

The PCB looks good. I haven't used this but it might be worth a try, thanks.

My MSI 780 went this way, eventually it died completely. Low quality components :/

You'll probably find it crashes as soon as it goes on to "boost clock", because it's no longer stable on them at stock speeds. Higher temperatures compound the issue because as the temperature rises stress on the components also rises.

I think its on the way out, maybe need to look into a replacement?

Its likely just getting on a bit and starting to unfortunately die . Perhaps it’s time for it to visit your kitchen oven for a short bake at 200c for 10mins to reflow everything .

I had a brand new zotac 1080Ti that did that once. Ran 24/7 all day under 70c, even went to ocuk for testing for 24hrs where I’m guessing they have AC so stayed below that temp. Returned back to me and as soon as it hit 70c it crashed the system with a load of Mumbo jumbo on the screen.

So I’m guessing heat/temp perhaps either triggered something (overheating component). Or perhaps had some dodgy solder that wasn’t making a connection as the card got hot. As it ran all day long under 70c even at max overclock.

Haha that's an expensive oven meal. I know what you mean though its either a resurrection or burial at this point.

 

[RamboFB]

I wont be doing anything with it tonight because its still going, although I am playing at the lowest settings which is returning a temp of 30c. But I do need to address this, I suppose I should be glad it still running.

 

[RamboFB]

Fairly certain its the core degrading now or some other part that cant handle temps of 60c.

Ran heaven again with the fans at 100% and it basically didn't reach above 59c and no crashes. Not sure if that confirms that the heat sink is on correct but I would assume it does.

I really don't fancy taking the card back out of the PC again in case I move something and it breaks again (its broke on me before), leaving me with no gaming until I get a new card. I basically just have to keep the card below 60c, which can easily be managed with a combination of fans, core clock and game settings. I can live with that for a while. Thanks for everyone for their advice.

If it gets really annoying I might try the oven trick.

Keep well everyone.

 

[tyler_jrb]

Perhaps it’s time to replace it with something else before it decides to die. Chances are if it is a heat related issue that 60c will eventually get lower and lower until it doesn’t work at all.

Even 2nd hand faulty it would fetch £50 or more, even if it didn’t work at all as people collect them for show pieces, displays etc.

Fairly old and slow card by today’s means. Even something like a GTX 1650 Super would surpass it healthily performance wise (around GTX 980 levels of performance) without even requiring any PSU power cables for around £140-150.

So be about a £100 swap once you sold the 780, if you’re not looking to spend much anyway.

 

[RamboFB]

Perhaps it’s time to replace it with something else before it decides to die. Chances are if it is a heat related issue that 60c will eventually get lower and lower until it doesn’t work at all.

Even 2nd hand faulty it would fetch £50 or more, even if it didn’t work at all as people collect them for show pieces, displays etc.

Fairly old and slow card by today’s means. Even something like a GTX 1650 Super would surpass it healthily performance wise (around GTX 980 levels of performance) without even requiring any PSU power cables for around £140-150.

So be about a £100 swap once you sold the 780, if you’re not looking to spend much anyway.

I might be able to sell it, I know its a popular card. The only thing is it has been butchered a bit to put the cooling fan back on.

I probably would buy something at about that price range.

My CPU, is still capable.

My monitor is 1080, although 144hz.

I will probably get another 2-3 years out my current setup.

Quite a rig you have, impressive.

Cheers

 

[Rroff]

Chances are if it is a heat related issue that 60c will eventually get lower and lower until it doesn’t work at all.

From my experience, though it isn't extensive, it will still be stable <60C just the frequency and voltage you can push through it will decrease until you get to the point the silicon is basically worthless. It isn't completely unheard of with the Kepler cards unfortunately after ~3 years or so.

EDIT: Alternatively you can stick it in the oven - usually buys about 6 months before the problem comes back at which point you can do it again but will probably only last another couple of months then same problem it will be pretty much dead.

 

[RamboFB]

From my experience, though it isn't extensive, it will still be stable <60C just the frequency and voltage you can push through it will decrease until you get to the point the silicon is basically worthless. It isn't completely unheard of with the Kepler cards unfortunately after ~3 years or so.

EDIT: Alternatively you can stick it in the oven - usually buys about 6 months before the problem comes back at which point you can do it again but will probably only last another couple of months then same problem it will be pretty much dead.

If I get a couple of months good gaming out of it, I wont be complaining at all.

I probably will run it to the max, then buy another card.

In 2 years or so, it will be full system.

 

[RamboFB]

I cant complain at all, I have had a lot hours fun out of this card.

 

[tyler_jrb]

I might be able to sell it, I know its a popular card. The only thing is it has been butchered a bit to put the cooling fan back on.

I probably would buy something at about that price range.

My CPU, is still capable.

My monitor is 1080, although 144hz.

I will probably get another 2-3 years out my current setup.

Quite a rig you have, impressive.

Cheers

Thanks

And yes if you are running even 1080p 144hz a 1650 or 1660 Super will be a decent enough card to pair that with for just under £150 and £200 respectively.

As above an oven bake will possibly salvage the card for a short while but IMO you’d be better off with a brand new card which will last you another few years hopefully trouble free. And likely use far less power and produce far less noise.

 

[RamboFB]

Thanks

And yes if you are running even 1080p 144hz a 1650 or 1660 Super will be a decent enough card to pair that with for just under £150 and £200 respectively.

As above an oven bake will possibly salvage the card for a short while but IMO you’d be better off with a brand new card which will last you another few years hopefully trouble free. And likely use far less power and produce far less noise.

Agreed it will a pain babying the card, I am bit old fashioned in the sense I like to use something to the max before disposing.

I take comfort from the fact that I cant get a decent card for not that much money, considering what I paid for the 780gtx.