Bad time for a 1080 Ti to die... :(

[tyler_jrb]

It's not an identical side grade. You're forgetting all of the new features. Performance in DX11? sure. But in DX12 my 2070s easily beats my Titan XP I had. Also, you don't get RTX or DLSS 2 with the XP.

That may not seem important now, but there are a couple of titles worth playing with RTX. However going into the future it'll be more important. Also, at 1440p (which the 2070 and 2070 super are for) you're talking 110+ FPS in most titles any way.

Plus if the 1080Ti is dying or dead then what other choice do you have?

I wouldn't bake it either. Core ball degradation usually shows differently to artefacts. It could be a memory issue, then you bake it and basically give it a two month life at best. You'll soon know if it's the BGA when the driver won't load and it goes into safe mode.

For the most part the Ti performs better than the 2070S apart from a few select games with decent DX12 implementation. Even as an owner of a 2080Ti with RTX its still nothing more than a taster on a few games that can manage it properly. Again with DLSS 2.0 its looking great but only is supported on a few titles. Is that worth forking £6-700 for when Ampere/RDNA2 are so close? No.

Plus i never said anything about baking the card. Merely under/overvolting or underclocking the core and memory and see if he can get the card lasting a bit longer for when next gen arrives.

A bake could fix the card but it could also render it as a paperweight and should only really be used as a last resort.

 

[tyler_jrb]

I'm not sure if baking it would help if its the memory thats failing. Would the memory failing cause 3dmark to crash mid run too? Though it will pass an entire run (20 loops) of Fire Strike and Time Spy with the core at 1822MHz 0.975v and stock memory. Only very small vertical blue lines show when running it like this, in Time Spy only, nothing I've seen in Fire Strike.

I tried highest voltage allowed, with lowest core and memory, Forza still crashes as soon as I get in game. I will DDU and try older drivers. I have already uninstalled and redownloaded the game just in case it somehow got corrupt, since I couldn't see a method to check file integrity like on Steam, For a long time I have noticed a very very occasional flash even when idling on the desktop, and always thought it was something to do with G-Sync being enabled. I also had graphical artifacts and flickering with other G-Sync compatible monitor models prior to getting this Dell S2719DGF. Maybe the card has been faulty all this time, since buying it from a member on this board, as I upgraded to a 1080 Ti for G-Sync compatible and got a new monitor at the same time. IIRC the previous owner mined with it but with a low power limit of 60%.

Try a more heavy memory downclock. Try -1000mhz in afterburner and see what happens. If it runs ok then gradually increase clocks. If the same try reducing core clock to 1500mhz and follow the same procedure.

With what you have described perhaps it has been faulty for a long time. What kind of temps is it getting to? Does the card look like it has been taken apart etc? I'd be tempted to see what the pcb/paste/pads look like as a mining card.

 

[Freddie1980]

So my 1080 Ti has started displaying very occasional artifacts, only seen them while running 3dmark fire strike and time spy so far, but began investigating when Forza Horizon 4 began to crash to desktop as soon as I get in game. I think this game has some form of cheat/hack checking which is probably why it crashes immediately upon loading into the game world.

GTA V Online works fine, played for hours last night no issue.

The card has been tested in another machine today, the issues remain

But...

I'm going to have to look at getting a new card, and it seems my choices are the 2070 Super or 2080 Super, the latter costing a good £200 more but bringing with it only a few extra FPS. 2080 Ti is out of my price range unless someone wants to let one go for £700 again as seen recently on the FST board

The 2070 Super is definitely a sidegrade from the 1080 Ti, but is it really worth spending the extra to get a 2080 Super?

I am considering the Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 Super Gaming OC 3x or it's 2080 Super varient.

Please help me choose
I game at 1440p144 G-Sync

No warranty left?

 

[LadFromWales]

I've tried setting the core and memory sliders down to the minimums. I've tried setting a curve in AB with the max voltage of 0.7v. I've tried old drivers known to work on my system with FH4. I set the graphical settings to "very low" and enabled half vsync in game, which allowed me to get into the game world and drive for maybe 30 seconds before crashing to desktop. But only once, after this it continued crashing before even loading into the menu of the game.

The card has definitely been taken apart, the stock fans made a racket and the card got hot. I took it apart and got new thermal pads for it, and cable tied a pair of 120mm Noctuas to it.
But, I've just put a 1060 3GB in the machine and it's still crashing soon after loading FH4.

Argh!

Definitely no warranty as Zotac don't allow tampering with the cooler.

I did recently get new RAM, though I have tested it to over 10000% on Karhu. I wish I still had the other set of RAM to test!

 

[melmac]

For the most part the Ti performs better than the 2070S apart from a few select games with decent DX12 implementation. Even as an owner of a 2080Ti with RTX its still nothing more than a taster on a few games that can manage it properly. Again with DLSS 2.0 its looking great but only is supported on a few titles. Is that worth forking £6-700 for when Ampere/RDNA2 are so close? No.

You can still get 2070 Supers for £499. And I would one of those rather than pay £350+ for a 5700XT or a second hand 1080Ti.

 

[melmac]

I tested it in another machine mate it had older drivers, I was going to update it prior to testing but left it. Sad times.

Those prices you paid for a 2070 super seem like a bargain compared to current prices!

If your card turns out to be bricked and you can't stomach playing on the 1060 3GB(it would be some drop!!) Then the 2070 Super cards are fantastic and you can still buy one for £499.

I tested an EVGA 1080Ti and an EVGA 2070 Super side by side for a couple of weeks. I kept the 2070 Super.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

I did recently get new RAM, though I have tested it to over 10000% on Karhu. I wish I still had the other set of RAM to test!

Try running Memtest86+ to test the memory

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I would buy another used 1080Ti for ~£350 or buy some cheap crap to tide you over to the new gens coming later this year. Can you down clock your 1080Ti to see if the issues go away?

There is no way a 2070S is worth £500 right now! Whilst games do now favour the newer core design, like-for-like the 1080Ti is a more powerful card with more RAM.

so you reckon he is best spending £350 to get an old second hand card which is less efficient with no warranty than spend £500 to get a new card which runs 20 degrees cooler, uses less power and plays modern games faster with 2-5 year warranty?

what makes you think that is a good idea?

 

[tyler_jrb]

You can still get 2070 Supers for £499. And I would one of those rather than pay £350+ for a 5700XT or a second hand 1080Ti.

Is that £499 for the clown card version? Jk

Worth it at £499 ish. Makes the more expensive 70Super cards at £6-700+ seem ludicrous.

Another Ti isn’t a bad idea at the right price (£3-350) but I wouldn’t advise getting any card with no warranty for the sake of a hundred £. And depending on where you look they aren’t much cheaper. My EVGA for example has 10yrs and I plan to honour that when it goes to the next buyer in the next year or so.

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

so you reckon he is best spending £350 to get an old second hand card which is less efficient with no warranty than spend £500 to get a new card which runs 20 degrees cooler, uses less power and plays modern games faster with 2-5 year warranty?

what makes you think that is a good idea?

Yes I do think it is a good idea.
You derailed another thread where I was talking about a 1080Ti with the 2070 fanboyisms. Please give it a rest.

 

[JediFragger]

Survive until RDNA2 and Nvidia 3k

This. Not worth doing otherwise imo.

Def try a fresh windows install too if all else fails. Do whatever the hell it takes to keep that card alive!!!!

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Yes I do think it is a good idea.
You derailed another thread where I was talking about a 1080Ti with the 2070 fanboyisms. Please give it a rest.

it's not fanboyism it's common sense

even the guy above agrees. it's stupid to spend £350 on a card with no warranty when a better card is available brand new for £499 which will have minimum 2 years warranty.

if the card dies in 2 weeks time that's £350 thrown away. only someone desperate would buy a 1080ti at that money

 

[LadFromWales]

Been busy all day trying to fix this!
Borrowed a set of Team Group B-Die from a mate. Still crashing.
Swapped in the 1060. Still crashing.
Downgraded my motherboard bios back to version it had a few weeks ago...still crashing.

While preparing to reinstall windows (deleted the WindowsApps folder on my games drive), backing up my profile to another drive, I come across this post on Reddit...
https://www.reddit.com/r/forza/comments/g6ldcz/_/
Seems something called Sonic Studio could be the issue?
I do recall this app updating the other day as it pops up a dialog saying to reboot for changes and it keeps popping up until you do!

This has cost me days of time, if that's the issue causing the Forza CtD then I'll be mad, but at the same time happy my slightly sick 1080 Ti gets to plod on a little while longer! If I start noticing artifacts in games I'll switch it out for a 2070S new with warranty. I don't think I'll ever buy a used GPU again unless the warranty is solid.

I don't think £350 is a good price for a used 1080 Ti with no warranty, when a brand new 2070S with 4 year warranty can be got for £499. I could get the 2070S and sell just before or when Volta comes out. Though from what I've read, Gigabyte and EVGA have the best warranty so will likely go with one of those, probably Gigabyte as 4 years, though it seems KFA2 have Wales based warranty too, though only 2 years.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Yup, that's why I stuck with my 1080Ti. There are no real upgrade options without spending silly money.

Yup, I’m still sat with my 1080Ti. Still runs things solidly at 1440p and fingers crossed it keeps going

 

[tyler_jrb]

Been busy all day trying to fix this!
Borrowed a set of Team Group B-Die from a mate. Still crashing.
Swapped in the 1060. Still crashing.
Downgraded my motherboard bios back to version it had a few weeks ago...still crashing.

While preparing to reinstall windows (deleted the WindowsApps folder on my games drive), backing up my profile to another drive, I come across this post on Reddit...
https://www.reddit.com/r/forza/comments/g6ldcz/_/
Seems something called Sonic Studio could be the issue?
I do recall this app updating the other day as it pops up a dialog saying to reboot for changes and it keeps popping up until you do!

This has cost me days of time, if that's the issue causing the Forza CtD then I'll be mad, but at the same time happy my slightly sick 1080 Ti gets to plod on a little while longer! If I start noticing artifacts in games I'll switch it out for a 2070S new with warranty. I don't think I'll ever buy a used GPU again unless the warranty is solid.

I don't think £350 is a good price for a used 1080 Ti with no warranty, when a brand new 2070S with 4 year warranty can be got for £499. I could get the 2070S and sell just before or when Volta comes out. Though from what I've read, Gigabyte and EVGA have the best warranty so will likely go with one of those, probably Gigabyte as 4 years, though it seems KFA2 have Wales based warranty too, though only 2 years.

EVGA all the way as you can upgrade the warranty if you plan to keep the card for several years for next to nothing. I have 10yrs warranty on my 2080Ti although I doubt I plan to keep it for that long . And EVGA allows cooler removal and fitting of third party coolers, waterblocks etc.

IMO it sounds something app or software related. If it can pass firestrike then it certainly can load into forza.

I’d be tempted to just say fk it and put a fresh windows install on.

 

[Ezyryder]

Looks like new Nvidia cards being announced in a couple of weeks time. Personally I would just wait at this time. The 2070S is very bad value at £500 compared to the 5700 XT. If you told me it was £50/£75 difference then yeah, but it is £150 difference like for like (cheapest vs cheapest). Not only that but the 2070S is actually slower (as per Hardware Unboxed reviews) than a 1080ti still. It is just very poor value.

I also don't think a second hand 1080ti is a good deal.

 

[JediFragger]

Looks like new Nvidia cards being announced in a couple of weeks time.

Gaming cards weren't mentioned, only the 'Amped' bit. Chickens, don't count them.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Looks like new Nvidia cards being announced in a couple of weeks time. Personally I would just wait at this time. The 2070S is very bad value at £500 compared to the 5700 XT. If you told me it was £50/£75 difference then yeah, but it is £150 difference like for like (cheapest vs cheapest). Not only that but the 2070S is actually slower (as per Hardware Unboxed reviews) than a 1080ti still. It is just very poor value.

I also don't think a second hand 1080ti is a good deal.

AMD cards are notorious for causing all sorts of issues. I was thinking of going down that route and 2 people that I know personally that did immediately got rid and went back to nvidia.

Sure if you don't have problems it's great but if you do then it's not worth it. Also I have a g sync monitor so best to stay with nvidia regardless.

As for it being slower that is pure fantasy. In all new games it's faster.

GeForce GTX 1080 Ti vs. GeForce RTX 2070 Super
Well, it's very competitive with the RTX 2070 Super indeed. Overcoming it by a small 2% margin overall... as always anything under 5% we deem a draw.

They are on par with each other

 

[LadFromWales]

So, left it copying all my userdata to another drive last night while at work (should have deleted browser caches etc, tiny files take forever), and reinstalled Windows when I got in this morning.
Aside from everything feeling snappier, as it always does after a reinstall, I am still getting artifacts in 3DMark.

Whats strange, is when I've done tests for heat etc I've always ran Time Spy Extreme, but on this occasion after sorting out my RAM, ran regular Time Spy.
I do not get artifacts on extreme, only standard. I have always had the memory set to +400 (+100MHz) and have had no issues with it set here, and even now can still loop extreme over and over and see no artifacts.
+400 on Fire Strike and I get flashes of various shapes all over the screen at random points, Time Spy just vertical thin blue lines randomly but much less frequent than Fire Strike. Extreme variants I get none...!
I can rectify this by setting no memory OC for FS, but need to go down to -300 to rid them in Time Spy. It doesn't appear as though the underclock affects the scores, with both frequencies giving me around 9800 points on the GPU test.

Forza Horizon 4 now runs! Though I believe this was due to Sonic Studio updating on the 21st of this month, which correlates with the reddit post I found yesterday. But, new RAM, updated motherboard bios, noticing artifacts, games crashing...a somewhat unimportant app updating is the last thing you'd think to check! I won't be installing it again, it being some software that gets installed with the sound drivers, I've never used it so I don't think I need it!

But it looks for now as if I can keep using my 1080 Ti, as I've not yet seen it artifacting in games, even at +400, but will be running it at -300 now to ensure it's stable. The core doesn't get anywhere near as hot with the memory underclocked, too, with a max of 74c after looping Time Spy vs just approaching 86c towards the end of 20 loops.

Sorry for the rambling, but I hope it is of some interest to some

I may still swap the card out but a 2070S seems a poor choice for the money at the moment. I could probably recoup a couple hundred selling this 1080 Ti, but for 2-5% performance and no artifacting in 3DMark it doesn't seem to be a sensible thing to do...

Tldr: 1080 Ti is artifacting but it wasn't related to Forza Horizon 4 crashing.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Been busy all day trying to fix this!
Borrowed a set of Team Group B-Die from a mate. Still crashing.
Swapped in the 1060. Still crashing.
Downgraded my motherboard bios back to version it had a few weeks ago...still crashing.
.

Points towards it being an issue with drivers/software or other component if it's happening on both cards. I'm wondering if the PSU could be an issue.

For what it's worth I couldn't get Forza to load on Xbox games pass.