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Intel 10th Gen Comet Lake thread

Generation naming is dumb across all computer components.

1st generation Zen - 1600, 1700, 1700X, 1800X etc
2nd generation Zen - 2600, 2700, 2700X, 2800X etc
then for some reason we had 3rd generation Zen actually called Zen2. So Zen2 = 3600, 3700X etc.
Now they've got themselves stuck in a loop where their numbering is one ahead of the generation which is just dumb.

While on the subject of AMD, 3700X, 3800X, 3900X, then 3950X? Where does the 50 come from? Why choose 50 and not 75 or 81 or 93?

Onto GPUs. RX470, 480 etc. Ok lets start there. So we then go to RX570, 580 etc. Ok. Then for some reason we just from that to Radeon VII then to 5600, 5700, 5700xt. Why? If these GPUs have series names, then call it that. Eg prefix it Radeon1 then the model number. Then the 570/580 range would have been Radeon2, then Radeon3 would have been the Vega range, now we're onto RDNA1 with the 5000 range. Then call the next RDNA2 etc.

Nvidia are just as bad. Why GTX980 and then 980ti? Why not 980 and 990 with the 90 signifying the top of the range? Then they went 1070, 1080, and then instead of going to 1170,1180 they jump straight to 2070,2080 and now likely to 3070, etc. Why??

Intel CPUs are the same. Within the current i9 range they have 9900K, 9900kF, 10920X, 10940X, even though 10th gen isn't out yet.

they are all dumb and should be shot.
 
danlightbulb said:
Intel CPUs are the same. Within the current i9 range they have 9900K, 9900kF, 10920X, 10940X, even though 10th gen isn't out yet.

they are all dumb and should be shot.
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100% correct , as i seen the 10th gen were getting released and i went straight to overclocker's to see the price, that's when i seen the 10920X, 10940X for sale and i assumed these were the 10th Gen cpu's ,, good job i never purchased any :D :D
 
While we're on the subject, motherboards are just as bad.

X370 is what Ive got, for my Ryzen 1st gen 1700X. Where was X360 or X380? Then why is there no B470 instead its B450? Then in Intel land its H370 and Z390. Why? Where is Z380 or Z397?

I have a can of Lynx spray on my side table here. Its the Africa XXL version. But it only comes in either standard cans, XL size or XXL size cans, where is the L size. Surely if you jump from normal to XL then really that's just L, which makes the XXL just XL.

its just completely bonkers the lot of it.
 
Grim5 said:
Some numbers from MSI's internal binning tests

Shows that only 27% of 10900k can be binned for good overclocking capability (higher than 5.1ghz), so the above 5.4ghz overclock is a golden sample.
35% of 10900k can achieve all core of 5.1ghz and and the rest achieve all core of 5ghz or less with overclocking.

The VRM's get pretty toasty, with the z490 Meg Ace VRM hitting nearly 80c with a 1.35v 5.1ghz 10900k and 347w

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-discusses-intel-comet-lake-s-processors-binning-and-overclockability
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Wait what at stock 202 watts. That's like 70 or 80 watts higher then the 3900x hell even 3950x. And it's slower on multicore. This is unacceptable.
 
Dave2150 said:
It's quite simple for desktop, my 6 year old niece is able to understand that the number increases by 1000 for each generation:

10900k = 10th gen
9900k = 9th gen
8700k = 8th gen
7700k = 7th gen
6700k = 6th gen
5775C = 5th gen (Broadwell, pretty much skipped)
4700k = 4th gen
3700k = 3rd gen
2700k = 2nd gen
i7 980 = 1st gen

A simple google of the name of the CPU also takes you to the intel ARK website, where you can view the exact specifications of the chip, including number of cores/threads, cache, features etc.
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Intel employee of the month
 
random_matt said:
These new chips are only good if you have a water loop, AIO will literally just scrape you by in temps.
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I’m sure if you can keep the Vcore low they will be just fine.

My 3800x holds me back over 1.35 as the chip can’t dissipate the heat in stress tests avx especially! But with 1.28/1.3 was much cooler I expect this intel will be the same
 
random_matt said:
These new chips are only good if you have a water loop, AIO will literally just scrape you by in temps.
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Open loop. AIOs will die at 100C liquid temp. Don't forget the pump heat added to the CPU heat which is already close to 100C on 9900K. These 10000 CPUs are just overclocked with more power added to them.

And again if someone has 8000-9000 series Intel, the 10000 doesn't bring anything new to them.
They can just as easily overclock their current CPUs adding more power. Same thing as Intel did.

As for the 10 core, this thing is daft. It loses to the 3900X let alone 3950X on multicore loads. Because the heat is so high that has to clock down a lot. And the stronger Ryzen 3000 IPC shows it's teeth.
 
Anyone know when the CPUs are due to be listed up for pre-order? In theory the Z490 boards are due out in the middle of next week
 
Robert896r1 said:
20th of this month.
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Surely they would get listed before that for pre-order and for people to see the actual pricing? The boards are already up for pre-order with some places showing they are expected on the 13th and some saying the 20th.
 
The review embargo is 20th so they won't be available before that.

I was thinking available would be a week or so later but it's starting to look like it'll all be at the same time on the 20th, presumably at 2pm BST.
 
bulldog147 said:
AMD is a winner! INTEL are a loser! Will never purchase Intel ever again. AMD are the future now!
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Except the reality is that probably 90% of everyone here, would switch tomorrow if Intel pulled a rabbit out of a hat and leap-frogged AMD to re-take the lead by a similar margin as AMD have today, all else being equal ("Tomorrow" = whenever :p).

Nobody wants to intentionally gimp themselves (Bulldozer owners can feel free to disagree :p)
 
Dave2150 said:
It's quite simple for desktop, my 6 year old niece is able to understand that the number increases by 1000 for each generation:

10900k = 10th gen
9900k = 9th gen
8700k = 8th gen
7700k = 7th gen
6700k = 6th gen
5775C = 5th gen (Broadwell, pretty much skipped)
4700k = 4th gen
3700k = 3rd gen
2700k = 2nd gen
i7 980 = 1st gen

A simple google of the name of the CPU also takes you to the intel ARK website, where you can view the exact specifications of the chip, including number of cores/threads, cache, features etc.
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I'd say they're way worse because these numbers are even more meaningless than AMDs. Except for the APUs (older) and the AF models (newer), if you buy from x generation, you are getting that generation, but with Intel who knows. For example: the 8100/8300, 9100/9300s are actually 7th gen Kaby Lake CPUs, which are themselves just slightly modified Skylake CPUs. The true 8th gen (Coffee lake) are 6-core die (i5 and i7) and the only true 9th gen (including the publicised security fixes) are R0 revision 8-core die (i7 and i9 9700/9900 CPUs). I'm not aware of any guarantee that the newer CPUs use the newer manufacturing process either, which with AMD is certainly not the case.
 
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