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Which AMD stuff @Illuminist ?
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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards
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Yeah. That’s what I thought. If AMD are confident they should leak some stuff or do some kind of preview.
Why are people assuming that PS5/XsX will cost £500? It's highly unlikely as they pack too much tech this time around (which is good).
Prices for cards getting higher because market is not growing, but costs of designing for new process nodes is going up massively AND manufacturing (per transistor) is not getting cheaper too, memory prices also not cheap and cards need more of really fast VRAM.
Anyway here is the new rumour: Ampere cards (top end ones for sure) will contain extra chip that will deal with decompression of data directly from NVMes - bypassing CPU/RAM completely, this will make things more even with the new consoles. Microsoft will have support for this in the next Win 10 in a few months, this will make it easy to port games from Xbox Series X to PCs, which is good. Source - me.
Prices for cards getting higher because market is not growing, but costs of designing for new process nodes is going up massively AND manufacturing (per transistor) is not getting cheaper too, memory prices also not cheap and cards need more of really fast VRAM.
Anyway here is the new rumour: Ampere cards (top end ones for sure) will contain extra chip that will deal with decompression of data directly from NVMes - bypassing CPU/RAM completely, this will make things more even with the new consoles. Microsoft will have support for this in the next Win 10 in a few months, this will make it easy to port games from Xbox Series X to PCs, which is good. Source - me.
Because the last time a console launched for more than £500 its sales were pretty rubbish, till the price dropped.
Because the average person isn't going to pay high prices for a gaming machine.
Because MS and Sony are at each others throats and the first one to put a foot wrong will be devoured by the other in the upcoming generation.
Because MS and Sony can recuperiate costs via games sales.
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I called that on the nvidia twitter to them saying they will have an io drive thingyWhy are people assuming that PS5/XsX will cost £500? It's highly unlikely as they pack too much tech this time around (which is good).
Prices for cards getting higher because market is not growing, but costs of designing for new process nodes is going up massively AND manufacturing (per transistor) is not getting cheaper too, memory prices also not cheap and cards need more of really fast VRAM.
Anyway here is the new rumour: Ampere cards (top end ones for sure) will contain extra chip that will deal with decompression of data directly from NVMes - bypassing CPU/RAM completely, this will make things more even with the new consoles. Microsoft will have support for this in the next Win 10 in a few months, this will make it easy to port games from Xbox Series X to PCs, which is good. Source - me.
The things s few posts back about amd panicking as they only aimed for ampere to be 20% above a 2080 ti and got it wrong. And that it will only match a 3070.
I think at worst it will match the 2nd fastest myself. But I am very quickly getting over all this new card bs and wishing I'd just kept my 2080ti and water block
It's going to be a lot of great useful tech (and speed!) for a change, despite higher price it will be worth the money (to me).
But it's going to be hot top end card, will have to wait till TSMC 5nm to maybe get it to sensible levels OR more likely it will lead to new "normal" of 300-350W on high end cards.
But it's going to be hot top end card, will have to wait till TSMC 5nm to maybe get it to sensible levels OR more likely it will lead to new "normal" of 300-350W on high end cards.
I'm sure I read the 3080ti is going to be a big juicy 400w beast but rumours keep changing every day so who knows.
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With the way the world is atm If Nvidia charge even more for Ampere then last gen it will drive many to PS5 or XsX. Nvidia's greed knows no bound. You can bet they will charge double over last gen. If prices are higher I'll stay where I am and get a PS5 instead. I haven't played much PC games lately. No good games I see coming any time soon? CyberPunk and a few others, but I can just buy them on PS5 or XsX. No need to pay £1500 or £2000 for the same on PS5. Nvidia will just hurt themselves. lol
The first big generation of gamers cut their teeth back on the Spectrums, C64, Amiga’s as kids, bought for us by our parents.
We were students or taking our first steps into the world of work when we bought our first AMD K6-2 or Celeron Budget PC’s with voodoo graphics.
When we moved from our first crappy jobs into 2nd line or team supervisor rolls we upgraded to full mainstream Pentiums/Athlons with mid-range graphics.
5 years later with manager or senior engineer roles we decided to splash out now and then on top of the range stuff, maybe only skipping out on the monitors or other areas.
Our generation, the first big gaming generation, is now in the prime purchasing power years of our lives, ready and willing to spend significant amounts of our large disposable incomes on the hobby we have loved for the last 35 years.
There’s no shame in not being able or willing to pay the top dollar, but for some of us we have always had the will, but now we have the means to get the absolute best.
I need a top end GPU to power my new LG CX 48” monitor at 120hz 4K, in my high end gaming PC, and I’m going to get one.
Well if you note my post was about the mid-range.
I have zero issue if you want to spend 20k on the top-end card. None.
I do take issue with the "mid-range" currently being £400+ (2060S/5700XT) and looking like it's going to increase to £450+ (3060) or £600+ (3070?)
Doubt il be streching to the ti maybe the 3080 or even the 3070, TI will be about a grand so il pass on that
I paid £420 for my 1070 with gears of war 4. The 3070 should realistically be no more than £450
This here "first generation gamer" cut his teeth on games for the ZX80 and ZX81 here before the above and dont forget the Atari ST
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Most of the people who have grown up with PC gaming like this(including me) remember how the PC enthusiast genre started.
It was about modding cheaper hardware to match more expensive stuff,as a form of defiance. Just like people mod cars,even if they could buy an expensive shiny one. Even many of the people back in the day,who could afford the more expensive CPUs or GPUs(which could also be modded) never bothered,as it was boring and not fun.
We all remember,how brilliant it was when competition brought prices down,and performance up.
Literally everyone I know from that era,is looking at the current era,are saying the best days of the enthusiast era are behind,the same with many thinking the older games were also better. Games with pay to win mechanics,auto-aim,x-ray vision,etc.These are people who could easily spend £1000~£2000 on computers each year,but just look back and think its now all getting a bit too marketing led,and simply realised there are loads of other things to spend money on anyway.
All PC gives you is a shinier version of a console game now. You rarely get any AAA games which are truly PC orientated. Original Doom,Unreal,Quake,Half Life 2,Crysis,Stalker,etc. The move from wireframe models to proper polygons/voxels,etc.
It seems to be increasingly more about marketing and E-PEEN.
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Given that the 2060S is currently £400+, a 3070 at £450 is looking a lot *less* likely than the rumoured price of £600+.
Personally I've been predicting £550+ for the 3070, based solely on my hunch and an observation of Jensen's love of money/leather jackets
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I think a 3070 will be $700+ depending on brand.
This here "first generation gamer" cut his teeth on games for the ZX80 and ZX81 here before the above and dont forget the Atari ST
Quite, we had a ZX81 as well but I was so young I barely remember it
