Guess that means my opinion is much less biased than @Minstadave then, since my lease is waaaaaayyyy cheaper than his, and my investment therefore is much lower.
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Guess that means my opinion is much less biased than @Minstadave then, since my lease is waaaaaayyyy cheaper than his, and my investment therefore is much lower.
There are many more options now popping up around the MSA's, Gretna is a good example they have Ecotricity on site, with Tesla chargers next to them, and then next to the Hotel, near to the fossil refuelling points you've got a four very high power Ionity units. And with Dine In, to Help out on Mon - Wed the food at MSA's is actually almost affordable.
With the frequency I have to do it (i.e. 3-4 times/year at most), the actual stopping to charge part doesn't bother me too much. However, could do without the nagging worry when pulling off the motorway, of whether the charger is going to be working & available. I'd happily pay 2-3x as much for a charge at a MSA if it meant that the service could be improved to guarantee the ability to charge without having to wait more than 10-15 mins
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No it's fine well just keep doing that until we exhaust the supply, the planet is almost dead, and then worry about it.
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Guess that means my opinion is much less biased than @Minstadave then, since my lease is waaaaaayyyy cheaper than his, and my investment therefore is much lower.
How cheap is your lease? I thought I got a bargain!
I pay £189 per month, or just shy of £210 amortised for my Ioniq 38kWh, which indecently gets 200 usable miles on a charge.
Total cost over 30 months will be ~£5,670, but the funder have confirmed that I can keep it on a month to month basis for as long as I want at the end, and they may offer a buy out if I want it, but cannot say until closer to the end. Insurance is about £300, and servicing is £54.56 for the first one, and £138.88 for the second one.Agree about just paying more to guarantee a better service. For me charging away from home would be an emergency only scenario similar to filling with diesel on a motorway (something which i have done hardly ever), the price becomes irrelevant.
That is an amazing deal, but to be fair, not comparable to an I-PaceI pay £189 per month, or just shy of £210 amortised for my Ioniq 38kWh, which indecently gets 200 usable miles on a charge.
That is an amazing deal, but to be fair, not comparable to an I-Pace
I know right, my battery is less than 50% of the size and it goes just as far.
The point was apparently people who have sunk lots of money into an EV are biased, so the comparison was not that of the vehicle.
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I know right, my battery is less than 50% of the size and it goes just as far.
The point was apparently people who have sunk lots of money into an EV are biased, so the comparison was not that of the vehicle.
I wonder if people who have sunk loads of money into ICE could be biased? No surely not
Lets not forget about those with change anxiety, and range anxiety and even those capable of doing F1 style pit stops and refilling 700 miles of fuel with just 90 seconds disruption
They could be showing small hints of biasBecause 99% of the time (in my case at least), plugging the car in to charge at home is quicker, easier and (significantly!) cheaper than having to drive to a petrol station, wait for a few minutes for the car(s) in front to finish, picking up a grotty filler nozzle, holding said nozzle for "90 seconds" to fill up, waiting for the invariably slow card machine to take a rather large chunk of money out of my account, and then getting back into the car with dirty greasy hands (replace with an earlier step of "faffing around trying to find some gloves of which there hardly ever any" if you wish).
The 45 minutes a few times a year I've had to use a public charger and wait for a charge, plus say 10-15 minutes waiting on average (it's usually far less/none) - so total 4 hours - covers about 20 trips to the petrol station when everything is accounted for. Considering before that I was filling up on average once a week, I'm already 50% ahead in terms of time.
Of course it's actually even less time wasted than that, since when I do need to public charge, it's invariably when we're off visiting family/on holiday, so the kids are in the car and need to stop for a toilet/lunch break anyway. Take off the time needed for that, and it's more like 10-15 minutes at most actually "wasted" waiting for the car to charge.
Sure, I get it, this usage profile certainly doesn't match everyone, but for me, an EV is far superior - the fact it's significantly cheaper is just a bonus.
Agreed. Its all on your usage and travel type. I do 20k miles per annum and an EV is going to be ideal for me
My work is 31 miles each way and most of my none work mileage is local, no more than 60-70 round trips. Biggest journeys are visiting family which is 104 miles so should be able to plus in mains when there and several hours later when leaving will still have enough to get back home.
The only time I would need to use charges on servies would be the odd big trip away but that is only 2 or 3 times a year so I am sure I could live with have having to plan out the trips to deal with that for the savings involved.
I am coming round to EV being my next car next year. Was going to go hybrid with one with enough range which would get me to work on 100% electric every day which accounts for 85% of my annual mileage but would then I wouldnt need to worry on long trips but my unease over this is getting less everyday.
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Not usually a fan of SUV style vehicles but I am liking the looks of the upcoming Mustang Mach E. Will have to see what kind of deals are around in a year when current lease expires.
Will have to see what kind of deals are around in a year when current lease expires.One other point which scares me, that doesn't seem to get mentioned here, is that the government advisory fuel rate is just 4ppm for a pure EV. This is compared with 17ppm for petrol.
Given that personal mileage is usually negligible (mine is in terms of cost), it would only take an internal policy change at someones company to enforce the EV advisory fuel rate, and an EV would become a white elephant over night.
This must be putting people off surely? No-one has mentioned this....
Given that personal mileage is usually negligible (mine is in terms of cost), it would only take an internal policy change at someones company to enforce the EV advisory fuel rate, and an EV would become a white elephant over night.
This must be putting people off surely? No-one has mentioned this....
So what? You'd get £170 for every 1,000 miles you cover, vs £40. If you were doing 30,000 pure business miles per year it might make up the BIK tax if you are lucky.
EDIT: If you happen to have a diesel you don't get anywhere near 17p, and the same for petrol unless you are running over a 2000cc engine.
I was very tempted to get an Ampera rather than the Zoe, but unfortunately the EV range just wasn't quite enough for my commute (particularly in winter) - a phev/REX with ~80-100 miles of battery range would be absolutely perfect for me (and probably most people tbh). All the benefits of electric on the 99% of journeys which are short enough to be in range, all the benefits of ICE for the other 1%. Obviously the problem is you then have a ICE lugging around a heavy battery or an EV lugging around a heavy engine, so you're going to lose range/efficiency on both systems (plus more to go wrong!)
Ah, yes, this is one thing I noticed - 4ppm is not really enough to cover costs if you're public charging. 15-30p/kw seems to be around the average price, meaning you'd need to be hitting just under ~4mpkw to break even @ 15p. That's just not realistic at motorway speeds. In the Zoe I get ~3.5mpkw @ 70mph in the summer, which drops down to barely scraping 3 in the winter, at which point charging @ 15p/kw would cost me 5ppm...
Even charging at home, unless you charge on a low rate e.g. Octopus Go or Agile, ~13-14p/kw is going to cost you >4ppm
Basically, anyone doing a lot of motorway driving at the advisory fuel rate should definitely NOT get an EV, as you will be paying a significant chunk towards your business mileage out of your own pocket.