Effects of electric cars on automotive industry

jpaul said:
the new government doc had suggested one use

...sorry I didn't see you, officer, I was watching netflix.
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Actually that raises an interesting point. I find that when its busy you often notice blue lights before you hear any noise, both in front and behind, could be interesting the impact on emergency services if significant amounts of people can start to pay less attention.
Although I have been surprised many times in my driving time that some people manage to not see or hear the emergency vehicle behind them for considerable time and distance.
 
chaparral said:
Does a Zoe need a different charger to other cars ? :confused:
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22kwh and 41kwh Zoes only have a type 2 connector, and can only charge using AC (22kw as standard, 43kw if you have the (paid option) Q model). The new 52kwh Zoe has the same by default but there is an option to add CCS.

So basically anyone with a 22/41/52(without the option*) can't use any of the chargers there.


*which tbh if you haven't added it you're a bit of an idiot :p
 
Haggisman said:
22kwh and 41kwh Zoes only have a type 2 connector, and can only charge using AC (22kw as standard, 43kw if you have the (paid option) Q model). The new 52kwh Zoe has the same by default but there is an option to add CCS.

So basically anyone with a 22/41/52(without the option*) can't use any of the chargers there.


*which tbh if you haven't added it you're a bit of an idiot :p
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Thanks

I had to google what the ZOE CCS was :o:o:o
 
The future will be cassette batteries that slot in just like a caravan toilet cassette, powerful batteries will get smaller, it's inevitable
 
Usher said:
The future will be cassette batteries that slot in just like a caravan toilet cassette, powerful batteries will get smaller, it's inevitable
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Unlikely! Given that manufacturers can't even agree on a standard charger, do you really think they'll be able to come up with a standardised battery?

Not to mention that you're talking about a huge reduction in size & weight (batteries currently weigh 200kg+), to get that down to a weight someone can easily move on their own whilst maintaining a decent capacity is going to take decades (if ever).

Then you've also got the issue of battery misuse & failure - you'd be pretty ****ed off if you stopped, paid your £20-30 or whatever for a battery with 200 miles of charge, only to get 50 miles down the road and the recharge warning light is flashing because the battery is knackered.
 
They won't standardise things unless they are forced to. They will all want their own connectors and batteries etc so you can only buy it all from them when it needs replacing :/
 
[TW]Fox said:
Keep up, this has been available on the new 3 Series and X5 since last year
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their (older) system may not be tracking where the driver is looking, like the tech I linked (wonder if BMW have a software update for masks ?)
this article implies bmw may be limited
https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabu...-up-on-driver-monitoring-at-ces/#5ba303d23736
If someone has bmw one, maybe they know if it will catch you looking at the cockpit or touchscreen for an extended period.

from article, I hadn't appreciated -
Tesla is a prime example of a company relying only on steering wheel torque to detect driver attention for its AutoPilot system and that inadequacy has been a contributing factor to multiple fatal accidents where drivers used it as a hands-off system which it is not.
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jpaul said:
their (older) system may not be tracking where the driver is looking, like the tech I linked (wonder if BMW have a software update for masks ?)
this article implies bmw may be limited
https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabu...-up-on-driver-monitoring-at-ces/#5ba303d23736
If someone has bmw one, maybe they know if it will catch you looking at the cockpit or touchscreen for an extended period.
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Cars with Driver Assistant Plus use steering wheel sensors. Cars with Driver Assistant professional have a camera in the instrument cluster that monitors the driver.

Professional is slowly replacing Plus on all new models starting with the 2019 X5 and 3 Series.
 
Neil777 said:
The Model 3 already has a camera near the rear view mirror though I don't think it's used at the moment.
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Unlikely to be suitable to monitor both eyes.

[TW]Fox said:
Keep up, this has been available on the new 3 Series and X5 since last year :p
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ah yes, so it has. Not convinced it will see through the steering wheel to all drivers though.
 
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Nasher said:
They won't standardise things unless they are forced to. They will all want their own connectors and batteries etc so you can only buy it all from them when it needs replacing :/
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yeah cos a 800V Porsche Taycan has the exact same battery requirements as a single motor air cooled Nissan Leaf. :confused:

Give it a rest. What’s the Masher logic of the numerous 4 cylinder 2.0 engine variants driving around then.

Leave basic physics out this thread please.
 
I hope that these camera based driver monitoring systems are rather better than the sensor and behavioral based systems found in Mercs for around a decade (Attention Assist). That system is so useless, that you are forced to turn it off, with it constantly telling you that you are drowsy and to get a coffee. I'd dread anything important being driven by a system as these behave.
 
camera location seems to be problematic I'd read the bmw instructions say the pro's cockpit camera can be obscured by the steering wheel,
you know .... those people you sometimes see peering through the wheel.

[another video corroborates that bmw system does not track where eyes are looking, just head orientation, and eye open/closed ]
 
[TW]Fox said:
Cars with Driver Assistant Plus use steering wheel sensors. Cars with Driver Assistant professional have a camera in the instrument cluster that monitors the driver.

Professional is slowly replacing Plus on all new models starting with the 2019 X5 and 3 Series.
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Is it the same thing as Cadillac super cruise?
 
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