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it does less for more that's what lol the lower tiers are cut down dies/does less to keep it in context!
Because they won't offer the games I like to play. Why would I put forth all that money on a video card were there is no guarantee it will provide the games I like to play. Perhaps I could play 3Dmark/Superposition but that's repeative and gets boring after 2-3 runs in a row.
Well, coming from a enthusiast video card arena I would agree with you. Any performance gains from last gen video cards are overshadowed of the fear in price hikes. I'm so glad I'm not tethered to just a pc were I have to hope that prices are affordable.
What's a 3070 going for $700??? Who knows and the fear continues until jacketman tells you. Did you know that their data center us now making more money then gaming? So now gaming isnt a priority for them now. Making them somewhat immune to price war against RTG.
Yes, as always the case pre release consoles games are demoed on PC. But wasn't gpu sales eclipsed by console sales even though those very same consoles were vastly inferior? I mean if it's not equivalent to a mid range PC why are so many people buying them? Oh, I remember, the game selection. And the fact that it takes a magnifying glassed, still image shots to show difference in IQ between console and PC. I can't wait to see how these IQ reviews will go once game engines mature for console.
As of today RT in PC games hasn't provided anything of benefit. It lacks....prospective. From what I've seen used on consoles so far it's sparingly used and only as a highlight to rasterized games. I hardly call that level of adoption note worthy. Perhaps a blip on the radar, sort of speak. In other words game will look like they are suppose to look more or less. But I gasp at the need of more still images and magnifying glasses to show "differences".
I disagree. There are plenty who would need to overhaul their build which includes cpu, motherboard, ram, etc. As of right now there are no Intel chipsets that support PCIe 4.0. And if you don't want to buy a AMD cpu you are stuck waiting for Intel. Even I find it hard to believe but there are plenty of enthusiast out there that won't buy AMD CPUs do to their inherent higher latency. In which they find Intel's ring bus approach superior. So they won't buy AMD. But I digress, their loss I suppose.
But there is still the unreleased DDR5 who is to some...their savior. And if you recall correctly it will always be the higher voltage, lower speed 1st. Then after about a year the lower voltage higher speed variants will show up.
Which in it of itself another motherboard/ram upgrade. I find it incredibly hard to ignore this. Because by the time game engines mature on console and developers start pumping out games that are 10x more sensitive to bandwidth we, pc enthusiasts, have to upgarde our motherboard and ram do to planned obsolescence. With yet another next gen video card release (RDNA 3 and Hopper). The general consensus is to wait for DDR5 before upgrading at all. Which will be another year wait. Another year behind console dominance.
Indeed we are...isn't it fun
Therefore, with DDR5 and a 2nd gen video card release in the forecast it's hard to take PC gaming seriously at this time. Unless I want to be stuck in a circle jerk upgrading all the time. IE: 2 newer video cards, low end ddr5, another motherboard/cpu purchase isn't a smart investment in my book.
But we will see were the chips fall won't we? I seriously doubt this upgrade cycle of memory and video cards (and possibly Zen 3 if it's as good as rumored) would be a sensible option do to cost. Versus what you get out of a console in the long term. Unless it's 3dmark and superposition.
It kind of does because the top end tier is used to pull up the midrange pricing a bit like a rope ladder. People aren't overly bothered by Nurofen costing x10 the price of generic Ibuprofen because they have the option and choice to get it instead in much the same way an RGB Strix 2080Ti ROG ninja edition GPU costing £1800 wouldn't be a problem if you had a generic founders edition at £700-800 but that doesn't exist. You could argue that 2080 fills that price range but its performance is last gen a well cooled 1080Ti can match it. I'm sure Nvidia would love to do away with tiers and completely blur the lines and comparisons with anything but that is so they can use marketing as a tool to convince you new products are worth their inflated asking price. You must see that surely....
.ok in of itself no it does not but that is not what was discussed.. by what metric do you measure 'performance' it then ?
Well, well, well. At 4K the 2080ti is giving roughly 30fps average for a nextgen game that streaming assets. But don't worry, it's still smooth . What do you think this is saying when it's butted against nextgen consoles at 4k/30? Hmm...
But wait, there is more, at 1440p it doesn't even reach 60 fps. The top end video card that you suggest people should consider if the price drops in some 3000 series variant. And it's using the convenient DX11 to boot. DX11 is Nvidia's Ace in the hole. Yet looks like a mid range card in this game. And before you point out, I clearly see the performance of the rest of the cards below it. For me, it's expected
If this game represents how developers will create future games (streaming assests, bandwidth sensitive, etc). Then buying a last gen Uarch performance and current gen prices is foolish and ill-responsible to say the least. Because you would need next gen performance to play the game. Performance that is not sensitive to just "brute force".
Therefore, it's not clear what you are suggesting in the face of this discovery. Although I and others have mentioned this kind of scenario before. It becomes quite an expensive headache trying to keep up the pace with 2 more GPU Uarchs by the time DDR5 is released.
So, since you:
-are seeing 30 FPS on a 2080ti @ 4k
-get RT in console games
-not made of money for all the upgrading needed to claim parity in the next 2 years
Why not buy a console get the RT you believe is your holy grail and enjoy saving money until the PC Market normalizes in chipset, gpu and cpu Uarch that wouldn't immediately require you to upgrade just to play consoles ported games on PC?
I think Turing is the problem. But that's neither here nor there. Lets see if Nvidia can get DLSS 2.0 in the game shall we?
Huh? What are you talking about?
Well, well, well. At 4K the 2080ti is giving roughly 30fps average for a nextgen game that streaming assets. But don't worry, it's still smooth . What do you think this is saying when it's butted against nextgen consoles at 4k/30? Hmm...
Under what metric though?
