Effects of electric cars on automotive industry

Jonnycoupe said:
Apart from the fundamental of voltage and capacity...

a Taycan demanding 761PS at 25% SoC changes the landscape somewhat if you think you can put the same battery in a car with a target price of a 1/3 of the Porsche.

Masher DoD is 100% : make you your own initialisms.
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Stop being dumb. You'd make it modular and just add more cells as needed for the extra power.

Like...I dunno...everything else which uses batteries.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
sorry, are you championing the benefits of a system you haven’t actually used?
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My car has auto steer (model 3) and I have owned cars with LKA (Honda accord)

I’ve also driven a seat something or other with some sort of primitive lane keeping system that didn’t add much value. (It was a 19 model)
 
Nasher said:
Stop being dumb. You'd make it modular and just add more cells as needed for the extra power.

Like...I dunno...everything else which uses batteries.
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so you have something the same? Until you add more cells - and then it’s not the same.

I get paid to be dumb so I’ll keep going thanks.
 
Haggisman said:
Unlikely! Given that manufacturers can't even agree on a standard charger, do you really think they'll be able to come up with a standardised battery?

Not to mention that you're talking about a huge reduction in size & weight (batteries currently weigh 200kg+), to get that down to a weight someone can easily move on their own whilst maintaining a decent capacity is going to take decades (if ever).

Then you've also got the issue of battery misuse & failure - you'd be pretty ****ed off if you stopped, paid your £20-30 or whatever for a battery with 200 miles of charge, only to get 50 miles down the road and the recharge warning light is flashing because the battery is knackered.
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I think time will tell, but the future may require vehicles to standardise. It's food for thought is it not

Here's a new video from China showing just how such a battery swap station might work. Battery swapped in 3 minutes: :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsrDpsYHrw

This would be at a regular charging station along with standard plug in posts so you had the choice depending on the queue
 
Nasher said:
Stop being dumb. You'd make it modular and just add more cells as needed for the extra power.

Like...I dunno...everything else which uses batteries.
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Exactly! Whenever I need to go on a longer journey, I just stop by Morrisons on my way and pick up a stack of AA batteries, range anxiety is no longer a thing, after all, a battery is a battery!
 
Jonnycoupe said:
so you have something the same? Until you add more cells - and then it’s not the same.

I get paid to be dumb so I’ll keep going thanks.
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Just because someone gets paid to do something doesn't mean they are good at it.

I know some people working on a modular design (for motors and batteries), so yes it's totally possible. It just needs someone with the skill set to build it.
 
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Cheeky idiot. Modular. So they are different. :confused:

Unless the modular design of the BMW 4 and 6 cylinder engines actually mean they are the same shape.

You must be paid to be a troll as you are good at it!
 
Nasher said:
Just because someone gets paid to do something doesn't mean they are good at it.

I know some people working on a modular design (for motors and batteries), so yes it's totally possible. It just needs someone with the skill set to build it.
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In this context :
modular motors ? Is this to change the motors when you pull into a service station ?
 
Simon said:
In this context :
modular motors ? Is this to change the motors when you pull into a service station ?
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Nope, but the idea is it will be easily swappable between vehicles designed to mount it (though it will be installed in an old ICE car to test). So a universal fitting. Not just cars but other stuff as well.
 
I could put up shelves then use the same motor to drive to the shops. Then when home use it in the washing machine ?
 
So, this could be a 'how long is a piece of string' question, but how far do people think things will advance over the next 3-5 years or so with range and charging infrastructure
I ask because I'm just about to take delivery of what could be my last planet killing diesel ICE, and I would quite like to be in an EV next time...
 
I think in 3-5 years the public charging infrastructure will be much better and there will be a wide choice of EV’s. There should be a variety of range options, with prices to reflect that. One thing that is likely is people will choose more range than they need, but long term that will settle.

3-5 years time will be a brilliant time to try out loads of EV’s and pick the one that suits you best.
 
blun said:
I think in 3-5 years the public charging infrastructure will be much better and there will be a wide choice of EV’s. There should be a variety of range options, with prices to reflect that. One thing that is likely is people will choose more range than they need, but long term that will settle.

3-5 years time will be a brilliant time to try out loads of EV’s and pick the one that suits you best.
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Absolutely, although my pessimistic nature says 5 to 10 years before we have an EV infrastructure that competes with the convenience of hydrocarbons. I think (hope) that the obsession with range dies down when it is no longer a worry about where you can charge, how long it will take to do so and whether the charger will be free and working when you get there.

I'm sure batteries will continue to evolve but lugging around extra cost and weight for 50 weeks of the year because you are worried about your summer holiday to Cornwall currently seems so wasteful. Especially as those resources are mined and come with an economic and environmental impact.

Unless I'm plunged into redundancy soon (which lets face it is pretty likely in these times) and lose my company car I can't see me ever buying another ICE out of my own pocket. My MX5 is a toy and doesn't need to be replaced even if it gets written off, my wife's car is just coming up to 4 years old and she tends to keep them to at least 10 years old so we should drop nicely into the zone of availability for a good selection of used / nearly new EVs :cool:
 
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