Jon Peddie Research: NVIDIA reaches 80% discrete GPU market share

JediFragger · 27 Aug 2020 at 12:50

humbug said:
AMD are already stuffing a <2080TI into an APU.

Also this Xbox/PS5 just keeps getting better and better it seems!!! Incredible!!!!!!! Soon it'll be well overtaking the 2080Ti on its way to 3090 performance and all within a 175W power envelope!!!!

Journey · 27 Aug 2020 at 12:51

TheRealDeal said:
Actually Nvidia went up 4% and AMD 2%. It's Intel who lost 5%.

Yes, apologies - I can't read very well without my glasses

Boomstick777 · 27 Aug 2020 at 12:56

For the vast majority, the choice between a £2000 DGPU or a ~£300 - ~£500 PS5S/PS5 / XboxSX / XboxSXS

Is not a choice at all.

Maybe eventually the only ones that can defeat Nvidia are themselves. If they price themselves into irrelevance.

humbug · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:06

JediFragger said:
Also this Xbox/PS5 just keeps getting better and better it seems!!! Incredible!!!!!!! Soon it'll be well overtaking the 2080Ti on its way to 3090 performance and all within a 175W power envelope!!!!

52 RDNA2 CU's (56 in reality with 4 cut off for yields) at 1900Mhz with a Ryzen 3700X 8 core 16 thread CPU, dual-purpose Shaders for Ray Tracing, 2080TI levels of performance, all in a 360mm2 175 Watt package. What more is there to say?

gpuerrilla · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:13

humbug said:
Exactly, AMD have other avenues where they do make money and limited wafer supply to keep up with demand in those segments. If AMD can't make money out of high-end GPU's they will not bother and use that wafer capacity to supply the Laptop APU's OEM's are crying out for because AMD can't make them fast enough...

If we want a genuine competitor we have to give AMD some space to work in.

So far your the only one making sense. Mindless statements on how because of AMD - we have nvidia running away with the high end cards is a brittle and one dimensional viewpoint, like building a house on sand.

gpuerrilla · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:16

Boomstick777 said:
For the vast majority, the choice between a £2000 DGPU or a ~£300 - ~£500 PS5S/PS5 / XboxSX / XboxSXS

Is not a choice at all.

Maybe eventually the only ones that can defeat Nvidia are themselves. If they price themselves into irrelevance.

PMSL but true. They also wont live it down if these new cards are as power guzzling and large as the information is suggesting.

Gregster · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:18

Th0nt said:
It's AMD's fault not nvidias. Let's give them some hearty back slaps 'cos you know, never a bad word to say about nvidia.

It is AMD's fault or is your bias so blind to see that? Why are NVidia dominating massively in the GPU sales? Because those who buy them are fanboys? People look at performance reviews, technology advancements and price and they base their purchase on those things (in general), so get off AMD's ass and see the big picture. AMD are so far down the ranks, because their performance is short and late to the party.

As for your other BS quote, why does my GPU ownage bother you? You really do make yourself look like a child with made up **** like that!

Dave2150 · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:18

humbug said:
Yes, enjoy the fruits of your victory.

My £330 5700XT runs at ~2050Mhz OC, 180 Watt's, 73c with 1800 RPM Fans.... I win too.

Guess you didn't use yours for the first 6 months after launch then, in anything that required hardware acceleration.

Launch day reviews of rx5700 were terrible, due to the dodgy drivers. Meanwhile, RTX cards had driver stability from day one.

Gregster · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:20

humbug said:
Well hang on a minute. 5700XT £400 / 2070S £500. If that's not competitive enough, if AMD have to sell their cards at £300 where Nvidia sell theirs at £500 then AMD would be better off not bothering because Like Nvidia these things don't come to them for free, and i don't blame them if in that case they would not bother, i think they are done bankrupting themselves giving cards away. Just stick to £250 cards and let Nvidia charge whatever they like above that. Keep the wafer capacity to put more hurt on Intel, #### Nvidia...

The trouble was, the 5700XT was a year (I think) behind the 2070 and drivers left a sour taste in reviewers mouths, so I disagree with that and even myself quoting the 7970 as their last decent card (which it was) took 11 months to get the performance where it should be. That is poor really.

CuriousTomCat · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:21

Congratulations you fanboys. Only 20% more to go before Nvidia hits 100%. I'm getting so excited in anticipation of the inevitable price rises that will happen. You obviously want that.

Dave2150 · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:23

humbug said:
The 5700XT is a good competitor to the 2070S, its just as good and significantly cheaper, despite this AMD are still losing market share, its not enough, that's a shame because it need's to be enough.

RTX 2070, and 2070S launched with good thermal solutions that didn't run too hot or loud. They also had stable drivers. These qualities are worth ££ to consumers. Consumers have voted with their wallets and paid the extra money for stability, noise/heat over performance per watt.

RX5700 = broken drivers for 6 months for a very high % of people (not everyone, but many, just read forums/reddit), terrible stock cooler from AMD that was hot and loud.

Yes, the more clued up person can undervolt Vega/Navi and tune the fan curve, once done so the cards run cool and quiet, but this needs to be the out of box experience for average Joe.

Journey · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:28

Why is it not Intel's fault for not competing in the discrete graphics card market? What if AMD threw in the towel and just did APU's who would people blame then?

Anyone? Erm...

Howling · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:31

Gregster said:
It is AMD's fault or is your bias so blind to see that? Why are NVidia dominating massively in the GPU sales? Because those who buy them are fanboys? People look at performance reviews, technology advancements and price and they base their purchase on those things (in general), so get off AMD's ass and see the big picture. AMD are so far down the ranks, because their performance is short and late to the party.

Yeah, but we both know that it's not about performance/price/drivers -- even when AMD did have the better product at a better price they never got rewarded for it. *Some people* still bought nVidia - this has just allowed nVidia to get so far ahead that AMD just can't catch up anymore. AMD have made missteps - as have nVidia - but AMD gets punished for those and nVidia still gets rewarded, this situation is what we - the consumers - have created. It's a little unfair to blame AMD for it.

gpuerrilla · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:36

Howling said:
Yeah, but we both know that it's not about performance/price/drivers -- even when AMD did have the better product at a better price they never got rewarded for it. *Some people* still bought nVidia - this has just allowed nVidia to get so far ahead that AMD just can't catch up anymore. AMD have made missteps - as have nVidia - but AMD gets punished for those and nVidia still gets rewarded, this situation is what we - the consumers - have created. It's a little unfair to blame AMD for it.

Sadly @Gregster says its my bias. You think the people that look at reviews and tube shills are informed? Get off your high horse.

Dave2150 · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:37

Howling said:
Yeah, but we both know that it's not about performance/price/drivers -- even when AMD did have the better product at a better price they never got rewarded for it. *Some people* still bought nVidia - this has just allowed nVidia to get so far ahead that AMD just can't catch up anymore. AMD have made missteps - as have nVidia - but AMD gets punished for those and nVidia still gets rewarded, this situation is what we - the consumers - have created. It's a little unfair to blame AMD for it.

Yeap. Plus by the looks of it, Ampere RTX cards will be high TDP. We're talking 290x, Vega64, Radeon VII levels of power, or more. If this was AMD, no matter what the performance, the card would be labelled "hot and loud". "90DC lol, hot and loud" and the 290X style blower meme video would be pasted everwhere.

Now because it's Nvidia launching a very power hungry card, it will be just be accepted as next generation power requirements. D.P., and others who are financially/emotionally invested in Nvidia will argue TDP doesn't matter due to a super expensive founders edition thermal solution that can handle 300W+, conveniently forgetting that the aftermarket cards from Evga, MSI etc will use a traditional design which won't be as quiet/cool running....

humbug · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:43

Gregster said:
The trouble was, the 5700XT was a year (I think) behind the 2070 and drivers left a sour taste in reviewers mouths, so I disagree with that and even myself quoting the 7970 as their last decent card (which it was) took 11 months to get the performance where it should be. That is poor really.

Sat slightly above the 2070, its gained about 10% vs Turing to put in line with the 2070S. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/28.html

I'm not disagreeing AMD had their typical driver issues, and yes they put a blower cooler on it, yet again they haven't learned their lessons.

I experienced those driver issues in the first couple of weeks owning it, the cooler on mine is ASRocks problem, i changed the Tim for some generic MX4 i had laying around, dropped the temps by 15c, Its gone from bad but usable to pretty good.

My £330 5700XT runs at ~2050Mhz OC, 180 Watt's, 73c with 1800 RPM Fans.... I win too.

It had hardly any Tim on it, it was so thin i could see the die cap through the Tim when i took the cooler off.

No one has been more critical than me about AMD in the last few years, coolers, Vega... its why i was with Nvidia for 4 years, lets judge AMD for what they do now, not then, my card was flawed its why it was £330, ASRock don't make it anymore.

Right now the 5700XT is a very good GPU, it always had that potential which is why i bought one, and there are some excellent AIB versions out there.

And lets not forget Nvidia have had problem with Turning, more 'Fatal' problems than AMD have had with Navi 10.

JediFragger · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:47

humbug said:
What more is there to say?

I think you're dreaming in regards the Ti-level!! Also the cpu has a much lower boost clock than the 3700X iirc.

Gregster · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:57

Th0nt said:
Sadly @Gregster says its my bias. You think the people that look at reviews and tube shills are informed? Get off your high horse.

No sadly about it and what high horse? AMD are a dollar short and a day late again and no difference this launch either. We have a rough guess on what NVidia are launching but no idea at all about AMD. I seriously want AMD, NVidia and Intel to do well and launch strong cards that we have to pick out game specific titles to say what is better but I can guarantee that AMD are releasing a potato and claiming it as the "2080Ti beater" and the fanboys will love it. a $500 GPU for the remaining AMD clingeroners!

K1LaW8tt5 · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:57

Journey said:
Why is it not Intel's fault for not competing in the discrete graphics card market? What if AMD threw in the towel and just did APU's who would people blame then?

Anyone? Erm...

Katie Hopkins?

JediFragger · 27 Aug 2020 at 13:59

Gregster said:
No sadly about it and what high horse? AMD are a dollar short and a day late again and no difference this launch either. We have a rough guess on what NVidia are launching but no idea at all about AMD. I seriously want AMD, NVidia and Intel to do well and launch strong cards that we have to pick out game specific titles to say what is better but I can guarantee that AMD are releasing a potato and claiming it as the "2080Ti beater" and the fanboys will love it. a $500 GPU for the remaining AMD clingeroners!

I'm fortunate that I have my XT so I can wait for the AMD cards to launch too and wait til after Xmas when stock should be plentiful on both sides to take my pick

Just wish we had some sort of solid indication of NaviX2 performance, just whispers atm!