Jon Peddie Research: NVIDIA reaches 80% discrete GPU market share

K1LaW8tt5 · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:00

Dave2150 said:
Guess you didn't use yours for the first 6 months after launch then, in anything that required hardware acceleration.

Launch day reviews of rx5700 were terrible, due to the dodgy drivers. Meanwhile, RTX cards had driver stability from day one.

we just ignore the early RTX failures now?

humbug · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:00

Gregster · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:00

Howling said:
Yeah, but we both know that it's not about performance/price/drivers -- even when AMD did have the better product at a better price they never got rewarded for it. *Some people* still bought nVidia - this has just allowed nVidia to get so far ahead that AMD just can't catch up anymore. AMD have made missteps - as have nVidia - but AMD gets punished for those and nVidia still gets rewarded, this situation is what we - the consumers - have created. It's a little unfair to blame AMD for it.

But why isn't it? I am quite computer literate and out of my last 4 AMD GPUs, I have had issues with 2 of them. You buy a cake and it tastes rubbish, they release a "new improved" cake and it still tastes rubbish.... Do you keep going back hoping it will improve?

Gregster · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:04

JediFragger said:
I'm fortunate that I have my XT so I can wait for the AMD cards to launch too and wait til after Xmas when stock should be plentiful on both sides to take my pick

Just wish we had some sort of solid indication of NaviX2 performance, just whispers atm!

I genuinely want a GPU this time around but doubt I will be buying. PS5 will be what I grab this time and will skip a gen on PC and see what is what next round. I will run my 2080Ti til it struggles but a bit of armchair gaming will do me.

KillBoY_UK · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:04

humbug said:
Well hang on a minute. 5700XT £400 / 2070S £500. If that's not competitive enough, if AMD have to sell their cards at £300 where Nvidia sell theirs at £500 then AMD would be better off not bothering because Like Nvidia these things don't come to them for free, and i don't blame them if in that case they would not bother, i think they are done bankrupting themselves giving cards away. Just stick to £250 cards and let Nvidia charge whatever they like above that. Keep the wafer capacity to put more hurt on Intel, #### Nvidia...

Its about timing as well and what you release as well.

by the time 5700xt over a year later Nvidia had a full "new" product stack from the 2080ti down to the 1650, AMD just released the 5700/xt then bad 5500xt and a horribly launched 5600xt.

It looks like history going to repeat. 3090/3080/3070/3060 are going to be released soon, how long will it take AMD to release a full RNDA2 product stack ?

Think of it this way. Would ryzen1 been as successful if only the 1600/1700 was released after the 9990k ? with no 1200/1300 or TR's as well. would have made a impact sure (but not as much) without a full product stack at the right time....

humbug · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:05

That was weird... del

JediFragger · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:05

humbug said:
yet again they haven't learned their lessons.

And tbh the Radeon7 had a 3-fan cooler and even that wasn't great! Only barable (for me) when the card was undervolted. They need better cooling engineers full stop I think.

JediFragger · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:06

Gregster said:
I will run my 2080Ti til it struggles but a bit of armchair gaming will do me.

I'll give you til Christmas G before you cave

humbug · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:06

JediFragger said:
I think you're dreaming in regards the Ti-level!! Also the cpu has a much lower boost clock than the 3700X iirc.

The latest driver comparison from TPU is from January, at that point the 2080TI was 40% faster than the 5700XT. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-5600-xt-pulse/27.html

There is a video somewhere comparing 20.7.# Drivers to the 2080S in which it is 16% faster, that includes an Unreal Engine game, i'll try and find it if anyone wants to see it...

5700XT 40 CU, 52 CU's = +30%

52 CU's even at RDNA1 its not a stretch to imagine that between a 2080S and 2080TI, so take out the lower clocked 3700X, on the desktop that is 65 Watts, lets say its running at 35 Watts, that still makes the 52 CU GPU 140 Watts.

JediFragger · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:08

KillBoY_UK said:
how long will it take AMD to release a full RNDA2 product stack ?

I reckon next Summer.

Dave2150 · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:08

weldon855 said:
we just ignore the early RTX failures now?

Failures on a small number of the lowest selling card (2080ti) is completely different to millions being affected by the broken 2020 adrenaline drivers, and the 6 months of broken RX5700 Navi drivers.

Surely you didn't miss the hundreds of articles of widespread driver issues, resulting in black screen, downclocking, stuttering, hardware acceleration being broken etc? Even /AMD on reddit was full of huge threads with fans of AMD complaining about the broken drivers.

JediFragger · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:11

Dave2150 said:
Failures on a small number of the lowest selling card (2080ti) is completely different to millions being affected by the broken 2020 adrenaline drivers, and the 6 months of broken RX5700 Navi drivers.

It was pretty bad, posts everywhere regarding issues at the time I seem to remember. AMD really don't do themselves any favours, no wonder they lost a lot of share the last 2 quarters

Gregster · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:11

JediFragger said:
I'll give you til Christmas G before you cave

Haha, I wouldn't bet against you, as you know me too well

JediFragger · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:11

Tbf I only really give a **** as it might keep NaviX2 pricing down (therefore bring nV down, everybody wins!!)

JediFragger · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:12

Gregster said:
Haha, I wouldn't bet against you, as you know me too well

Yes, because YOU SAID IT LAST TIME!!!!

james.miller · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:13

Gregster said:
It is AMD's fault or is your bias so blind to see that? Why are NVidia dominating massively in the GPU sales? Because those who buy them are fanboys? People look at performance reviews, technology advancements and price and they base their purchase on those things (in general), so get off AMD's ass and see the big picture. AMD are so far down the ranks, because their performance is short and late to the party.

As for your other BS quote, why does my GPU ownage bother you? You really do make yourself look like a child with made up **** like that!

When nvidia make a conscious decision to capitalise on their market position, it isn't anyone else's fault bar their own. It's like people think nvidia couldn't be responsible for their own actions purely because AMD exist. Crazy.

Gregster · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:14

JediFragger said:
Yes, because YOU SAID IT LAST TIME!!!!

True dat!

gpuerrilla · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:14

Backslaps all round for the fanboys - yeah I will buy one like I did last time!

JediFragger · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:15

Gregster said:
Haha, I wouldn't bet against you, as you know me too well

And tbf I may have to go for the Big Daddy 3090 due to m0000000sive res to drive

Gregster · 27 Aug 2020 at 14:18

james.miller said:
When nvidia make a conscious decision to capitalise on their market position, it isn't anyone else's fault bar their own. It's like people think nvidia couldn't be responsible for their own actions purely because AMD exist. Crazy.

I detest the prices with a passion but what should I do? I really don't want to cut my nose off to spite my face and whilst it hurt paying £1300 for the Ti, I still did it. Of course I blame NVidia also and seeing prices still makes me sad and whilst I want cheaper GPUs for all, the lack of competition allows NVidia to get away with it.

Neither company give a **** about us and that is the sad fact! Business is cut throat and like I say at work to colleagues, we are just a number!