NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:20

five8five said:
Don't open that can of worms again

Too late!!

Chuk_Chuk said:
The response by gamer1988 made me chuckle. Some people are in for a surprise shortly.

The worst thing is AMD already has something like that with Polaris(Radeon SSG),but the guy said 8GB was soon to be low end,even below 4K.

Greebo said:
It isn't (unless you have only 8gb or less)

The chap is lead programmer at id software. He literally said 8GB of VRAM would be "low end" even below 4K.

I think we know where the Super refreshes are going.

Greebo · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:20

EastCoastHandle said:

The twitter post referred to the fact that 6gb is not enough vram anymore and 8gb is the new minimum. Hence the amount of vram in a 3080 since it has 10gb is irrelevant

labbby · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:23

You can just download more vram so it’s all good init

Greebo · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:24

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Too late!!

The worst thing is AMD already has something like that with Polaris(Radeon SSG),but the guy said 8GB was soon to be low end,even below 4K.

The chap is lead programmer at id software. He literally said 8GB of VRAM would be "low end" even below 4K.

I think we know where the Super refreshes are going.

Indeed. It seems almost certain that there is a 2070ti with 16gb now so there is almost sure to be a 3080S/ti with 16 or 20Gb.

danoliver1 · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:25

Just download a ram doubler program job done.

P.B · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:25

Digital foundry has a early review as such

EastCoastHandle · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:27

Wilko_Dog said:
Will my 750w psu power a 3080 ? (super-flower 80 plus gold if that makes any difference) Thinking of upgrading if I don’t need to add anything else

nhornby51743 said:
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeees

Not so fast there. It’s never about the wattage. All wattage does tells you about the Competency of the power supply unit. Because nvidia went through great lengths creating a new power plug it’s suggest that it’s not the wattage that is important but the amperage/load of the rail(s). Therefore, I would not recommend 750 watts unless I knew what the amperage/load per rail is and how good the power delivery is per rail. Now I know why they call it ampere.

KiNgPiN83 · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:28

EastCoastHandle said:
So the question now. Since we know, at the very least, that if RDNA 2 beats both 3070/3080 Nvidia will:
-Reduce prices
-Provide super duper variants at the same price point of the 3070/3080 but mush faster/more vram

Which would diminish the invest early adapters made just to say, I got mine 1st!

I think they’ll bring out S versions like they did when the 5700 came out. Just to push them down a tier and justify people spending more on the NV option. Even if that does mean shafting their early adopters. (For the record I have a 1080 that cost me 500 so I like an NV shafting as much as the next man.

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Poneros · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:28

Chuk_Chuk said:
The response by gamer1988 made me chuckle. Some people are in for a surprise shortly.

Indeed. Sadly I've decided to make a bargain with ~~the devil~~ Nvidia so I'll get the 3080 and sell it off before the next wave hits, hopefully upgrading the vram without taking too much of a monetary hit but still getting to enjoy it for a few months/year.

Kelt · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:29

Chuk_Chuk said:
Do you mean having the connector in the middle?

Yeh, I know it has to be there as it's the end of the board, but it still looks inelegant, especially with the new, short power connector.

EastCoastHandle · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:31

Greebo said:
The twitter post referred to the fact that 6gb is not enough vram anymore and 8gb is the new minimum. Hence the amount of vram in a 3080 since it has 10gb is irrelevant

smilingcrow · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:32

nhornby51743 said:
Power Meters are less than £12 at xxxxx.

A wise investment for anyone with a P/S in the 500 - 700 watt range.
Keep in mind that power meters measure AC input and power supplies are rated for DC output.
So if your P/S is rated for 90% efficiency at 450W and whilst gaming it averages 500W at the wall socket, it's actually outputting 450W DC; 10% is lost to inefficiency.
So if you have a 650W P/S and it says 500W at the meter, as it's only outputting 450W you have 200W of headroom; 650 - 450.
That ten percent can be significant if you are getting close to the limit.

Kelt · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:32

Wilko_Dog said:
Will my 750w psu power a 3080 ? (super-flower 80 plus gold if that makes any difference) Thinking of upgrading if I don’t need to add anything else

Should be OK with a 3080.

It's the people who are asking whether a 650W is enough for a 3080.

All I know is, I wouldn't want to run one with it, not when Nvidia recommends a 750W.

five8five · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:33

Greebo said:
I suspect all the base models and slight OC versions will just be Nvidia reference boards with their own cooler plonked on.

The 3x 8 pin and fancier boards will be custom like the kingpin etc.

You could be right, there may also be a rectangular reference board.

FoxEye · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:34

jonneymendoza said:
You see a massive problem there mate. Any air cooled CPU is going to get all that hot air coming from the top of the 3000 series card

What do you think happens with all the 3-fan AIB designs? Where do you think that hot air goes?

Chuk_Chuk · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:36

Kelt said:
Yeh, I know it has to be there as it's the end of the board, but it still looks inelegant, especially with the new, short power connector.

I agree with you, it doesn't look great. I don't think it will look right in a case to have a cable going down the middle. People will probably end up routing it down the side of the card to get it out of the way.

Quartz · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:38

jonneymendoza said:
You see a massive problem there mate. Any air cooled CPU is going to get all that hot air coming from the top of the 3000 series card

Not really. All you have to do is reverse the fans on the CPU cooler so they draw cold air from the back of the PC. You could also have the fans at the front blowing outwards to exhaust the air.

nhornby51743 · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:41

Kelt said:
Should be OK with a 3080.

It's the people who are asking whether a 650W is enough for a 3080.

All I know is, I wouldn't want to run one with it, not when Nvidia recommends a 750W.

The recommendation of a 750w, is to cover all range of 750w PSU's, and they factor in the high end CPU's etc into that, to cover themselves.

650w is close, however, 750w is preferable.

Chuk_Chuk · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:41

Poneros said:
Indeed. Sadly I've decided to make a bargain with ~~the devil~~ Nvidia so I'll get the 3080 and sell it off before the next wave hits, hopefully upgrading the vram without taking too much of a monetary hit but still getting to enjoy it for a few months/year.

How much warning/heads up did we get prior to the super line being launched?

Vertigo · 2 Sep 2020 at 17:42

Greebo said:
Yeah the seasonic adapter is a much better idea, it goes all the way back to the PSU as a single lead.

Personally I'd prefer a monoblock adapter which exposes a pair of 8-pin sockets along the top edge, facing down the back of the card. That way you could use existing custom cables without it looking unsightly.