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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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I'm pretty sure with its rumoured core at 2000mhz and higher with 80CU's, it'll be around the 3080 for performance there's no question about that.
 
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LePhuronn said:
Pish and tosh. 2% is nothing, and just goes to showthe industry's and market's opinion of AMD's dGPU business. Zen 3 taking Intel's last accoldae will increase share value by more than 2%, the console sales will likely impact too. Samsung delivering RDNA 2-equipped products will probably cause a massive leap for AMD value too.

And this is all excluding dGPUs.
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Exactly. Apparently I did not understand his point, not like it was rocket science what he was saying. Trouble is it made little sense and a very risky move to make. Sounds like it was just a impulsive comment that was made for a joke, then he got defensive in the end. But I am happy for him to go into more detail and prove us wrong :p
 
Dontrocktheboat said:
My point is 2% is a big drop considering AMD market share in gfx market ATM.

Markets don't like uncertainty and there is a massive uncertainty about Navi, its release dates, timeframes and it's performance.

It won't get any better .
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Yeah I got that point. I will stick with what I said.

Seems to me you have not even looked at the charts to be making such a comment however. If you did you would not be saying that.
 
Personally I'm thinking that big Navi leaks will not be enough to dissuade people from pre-orders on RTX30xx, more concrete information is required from AMD for that. Of course each gen of GFX cards lasts a fair while and with console games optimised for AMD RDNA2, AMD may be thinking they will win the long game this round, missing a few early sales might not be that high on the priority list.
 
I suspect AMD don't have something to compete so are waiting to get their hands on the NV product line to test against their own whilst their trying to squeeze what they can out of driver refinement. If they were confident of their products they would go for a paper launch now and refine the offering nearer to allowing pre-orders to start with some form of game package bundle. Alternatively, they have nothing to compete above 3070 and now need to make cost cuts to position big navi against 3070 at a lower cost, this is the space that matters most anyway from a business perspective since that's where the bulk of sales are and below.
 
And currently if rumours are correct Navi could have more VRAM so until the NV supers / Ti's release they could offer a more rounded proposition for those that want more memory.
 
thenewoc said:
I suspect AMD don't have something to compete so are waiting to get their hands on the NV product line to test against their own whilst their trying to squeeze what they can out of driver refinement. If they were confident of their products they would go for a paper launch now and refine the offering nearer to allowing pre-orders to start with some form of game package bundle. Alternatively, they have nothing to compete above 3070 and now need to make cost cuts to position big navi against 3070 at a lower cost, this is the space that matters most anyway from a business perspective since that's where the bulk of sales are and below.
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No, AMD at quiet most of the time, over the years it was just certain people over played their hand to much and mouthed off, Lisa has and will tighten up most leaks, what ever AMD does they get hammered for it.

Company's like this don't for the most part will not act quickly, they are too big and to many moving parts and they will try and assess their options.

They need to make sure they don't give Nvidia to much time to react to what they going to do as long they get certain information out a few days before launch of 3080, remember the 3070 launches in Oct.
 
I feel AMD was able to give Intel a spanking because Intel was drip feeding 10% gains each gen of release, which opened the door for AMD to take advantage but and I use the term loosely, I can't see NVidia making the same mistakes as Intel and allowing AMD in with a 3080 beater.... Or do you feel I am wrong on that?
 
queamin said:
No, AMD at quiet most of the time, over the years it was just certain people over played their hand to much and mouthed off, Lisa has and will tighten up most leaks, what ever AMD does they get hammered for it.

Company's like this don't for the most part will not act quickly, they are too big and to many moving parts and they will try and assess their options.

They need to make sure they don't give Nvidia to much time to react to what they going to do as long they get certain information out a few days before launch of 3080, remember the 3070 launches in Oct.
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Indeed. A lot of people seem to have forgotten that you wont actually be able to buy a 3070 until October.
 
Gregster said:
I feel AMD was able to give Intel a spanking because Intel was drip feeding 10% gains each gen of release, which opened the door for AMD to take advantage but and I use the term loosely, I can't see NVidia making the same mistakes as Intel and allowing AMD in with a 3080 beater.... Or do you feel I am wrong on that?
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No. I dont expect AMD will come out with a 3080 beater. I think they will deliver a card with more memory and one that trades blows with a 3080 in games so the key will be price.

Of course the major sales will be in to the up to 3070 performance and I think they will deliver with faster and slightly cheaper cards than nvidia in that range.
 
Gregster said:
I feel AMD was able to give Intel a spanking because Intel was drip feeding 10% gains each gen of release, which opened the door for AMD to take advantage but and I use the term loosely, I can't see NVidia making the same mistakes as Intel and allowing AMD in with a 3080 beater.... Or do you feel I am wrong on that?
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AMD's opportunity to do until Nvidia what they did unto Intel was Turing, but alas RDNA 1 had problems preventing from taking advantage. Nvidia's hubris at the lack of meaningful competition for generations did push out incremental updates and beta-test lacklustre RT with insane pricing, never expecting AMD to touch them. But, RX 690 (entry level card) outperforming RTX 2070 (mid range)? What would 56, 64 and 72 CU models done to the poor 2080 and 2080 Ti? But it didn't happen.

The potential of RDNA is obvious and the XSX demos showing what RDNA 2 can do is literally why Nvidia have price the 3080 and 3070 where they have, immediately attempting to cut AMD off before they even launch. They won't make another hubris moment like Turing again.

Nvidia clearly think AMD can bring it this time, it remains to be seen if that actually pans out. But even if RDNA 2 does best the 3080, there will be a response from Nvidia (despite rumours saying Nvidia don't want to confuse things with Tis and Supers again).
 
I think mid range cards is where the bulk of the market is so that's most important, where I think Nvidia wins out historically is having that top tier all beating card which makes the uneducated think Nvidea cards are faster.
 
All I want from AMD is a solid alternative to the rumoured 3070ti (I'm not going lower than 16GB of VRAM), also with 16GB, so I can make an informed choice between the two. I fancy a switch to the dark side after 5-6 years on AMD, but at the end of the day the best card for me will win.

If it takes six months for everything to become clear I will wait.
 
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