AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

muon · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:31

LePhuronn said:
It's not a fake, nor a lie. That's a picture of the 5700 XT blower put through a Photoshop fish eye filter.

Lol. I was about to say, where did anyone claim a clearly photoshopped image came from AMD.

EastCoastHandle · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:31

LePhuronn said:
It's not a fake, nor a lie. That's a picture of the 5700 XT blower put through a Photoshop fish eye filter.

the point is that it's not a nextgen card. As it's making the rounds.

muon · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:33

EastCoastHandle said:
the point is that it's not a nextgen card. As it's making the rounds.

You are the first person I've heard claim that is supposed to be a next gen card.

4K8KW10 · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:33

EastCoastHandle said:
I've been saying the exact same thing. Although I didn't categorize the skus like that. There is no way Nvidia would price 3080 that low if AMD wasn't competing in the same space. You simply false hoping that Nvidia was simply being generous, which they are not.

If Navi 21 is $549 and GTX 3080 is $699, guess which one will be faster.
It's possible that the performance delta between RTX 3070 for $499 and RTX 3080 for $699 is not that high, or is around 10-15% which doesn't pay for the large price differentiation.

LePhuronn · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:33

aoaaron said:
So what did you mean by your comment? It felt like you were baiting or belittling DLSS despite its clear advantages when putting into place complex raytracing.

I'd rather embrace and pay credit to good technologies and hope AMD implement them too, rather than be-little them.

"belittle DLSS"? Oh grow up. I'm not getting into this again because it just makes Nvidia fanboys froth at the mouth. You like DLSS? Good for you. Personally I'd prefer Nvidia and AMD produce GPUs that render native resolutions rather than upscaling. And if you actually and genuinely prefer an upscaled image over a native one then you need your head read.

EastCoastHandle · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:34

muon said:
Lol. I was about to say, where did anyone claim a clearly photoshopped image came from AMD.

LOL and you are the 1st person that has issues comprehending: This is either a fake or AMD lied.
So just drop the baiting

muon · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:35

EastCoastHandle said:
LOL and you are the 1st person that has issues comprehending: This is either a fake or AMD lied.
So just drop the baiting

Fake? For it to be fake it has to pretend to be something else.

It's a 5700XT.

EastCoastHandle · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:37

4K8KW10 said:
If Navi 21 is $549 and GTX 3080 is $699, guess which one will be faster.
It's possible that the performance delta between RTX 3070 for $499 and RTX 3080 for $699 is not that high, or is around 10-15% which doesn't pay for the large price differentiation.

You didn't factor in the vram. Although 2GB delta is hardly anything. I still wouldn't consider either. It's also possible that the price factors in IC cost as well.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:42

AMD is selling mountain bikes:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/from-big-navi-to-big-wheels-amd-sells-bikes-now

21 speeds,and from $299.

gpuerrilla · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:43

LePhuronn said:
"belittle DLSS"? Oh grow up. I'm not getting into this again because it just makes Nvidia fanboys froth at the mouth. You like DLSS? Good for you. Personally I'd prefer Nvidia and AMD produce GPUs that render native resolutions rather than upscaling. And if you actually and genuinely prefer an upscaled image over a native one then you need your head read.

This. Also if you have to cheat via tricks, use a standardised method so all people can contribute, this proprietary bull is tiresome and not good for the scene (it generally takes nvidia a few years to be cajoled into towing the line) as all it does is **** off gamers like having to lock in to monitors etc.

five8five · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:46

Th0nt said:
This aligns to what most of us (who dont mind buying AMD hardware) have thought considering the low pricing from Jensen. If he had it in the bag like last gen the 3080 would be £200 more.

It depends how you look at it . The 3080 is now back to the price of the 1080 but the 3070 is more expensive than the 1070 so not that low and that's not taking into account the 3090 price.

thenewoc · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:48

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
AMD is selling mountain bikes:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/from-big-navi-to-big-wheels-amd-sells-bikes-now

21 speeds,and from $299.

Perhaps that will be the free bundled item with Big Navi...

gpuerrilla · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:48

five8five said:
It depends how you look at it . The 3080 is now back to the price of the 1080 but the 3070 is more expensive than the 1070 so not that low and that's not taking into account the 3090 price.

Good point. Whilst we dont want to see any tier go up in price, I am happier that the higher tiers are coming back into line.

gpuerrilla · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:50

Seriously though, think about it, if AMD are competing - its what people wanted. The fanboys retorted "well its AMDs fault as they dont compete". Even though this is for their selfish reasons and will buy nvidia anyway, the regular gamers will benefit from choice in both brands and a bit less £££'s for an upgrade!

EastCoastHandle · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:56

Th0nt said:
Seriously though, think about it, if AMD are competing - its what people wanted. The fanboys retorted "well its AMDs fault as they dont compete". Even though this is for their selfish reasons and will buy nvidia anyway, the regular gamers will benefit from choice in both brands and a bit less £££'s for an upgrade!

Yup they are finally getting competition to buy Nvidia at a cheaper price. Too bad nvidia factored in less vram as a "quick and dirty" way to keep those prices down.

They can never win can they? I wonder what the new excuse will be once those reviews come in with these new games where there is a marked performance penalty for having less vram? I know..."If AMD hadda launch when Nvidia did I wouldn't have bought this". Watch and see...

shankly1985 · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:57

EastCoastHandle said:
This is either a fake or AMD lied.

Why did RTG lie? They said they weren't doing any more blower styles. They said they heard the community loud and clear when the 5700 series was released.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3531452/amds-next-gen-radeon-graphics-cards-will-ditch-blower-style-coolers.html#:~:text=After showing off an exciting,the company's long-held blower-

It's clearly fake that GPU is just navi 1

five8five · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:58

4K8KW10 said:
It's possible that the performance delta between RTX 3070 for $499 and RTX 3080 for $699 is not that high, or is around 10-15% which doesn't pay for the large price differentiation.

Are you kidding. Have you looked at the differences in specs between them? 50% more cores, GDDR6X Vs GDDR6 memory, 50% higher Tflops, 50% higher memory bandwidth........

EastCoastHandle · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:59

shankly1985 said:
It's clearly fake that GPU is just navi 1

Yes, it's fake using a fisheye lens effect.

robfosters · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:59

five8five said:
Are you kidding. Have you looked at the differences in specs between them? 50% more cores, GDDR6X Vs GDDR6 memory, 50% higher Tflops, 50% higher memory bandwidth........

Indeed, the extra £200 looks good value imo. Certainly changed my mind from 3070 to 3080.

gpuerrilla · 4 Sep 2020 at 20:59

five8five said:
Are you kidding. Have you looked at the differences in specs between them? 50% more cores, GDDR6X Vs GDDR6 memory, 50% higher Tflops, 50% higher memory bandwidth........

50% more DLSS, 50% more raytracing..