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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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humbug said:
Its all opinion, as is the 3070, i don't even think the 3070 is as fast as the 2080TI.

As for the Series X, it has 30% more shaders than the 5700XT at the same clock speed, just doing the maths assuming its RDNA1, the same as the 5700XT shaders its easy to see how fast it is, that's still speculation, if we are to be held to our speculations or caveat everything we say with a disclaimer in here the thread might as well be locked because it would be useless.
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Wasn’t series x rdna2?
 
I posted this in another thread but can add to the discussion here:

A quick comparison table I made showing the XSX gpu is around 3.5x smaller than the 3080. Should show you why Nvidia demolished the 2080Ti price recently. The 3080 TF are 2.2x higher than the 2080TI but we know the performance difference shown is not that high so Nvidia appears to be massaging the figures there for some reason. At most the 3080 is probably around 40% faster than a 2080Ti but the specs show SM's and TF are virtually double.

It looks like Big Navi would seriously beat up the 3080 if AMD double the sp's to 5120. The TDP will be the only restriction but if they can keep it below 350W then that would be fine.

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Pretty sure BZ lives in the Uk. in an older video he was talking about not covering zen2 because of the lack of availability in the Uk. He did a more recent video on him reaching 200k subs and it was filmed in the same room.
 
fs123 said:
A quick comparison table I made showing the XSX gpu is around 3.5x smaller than the 3080. Should show you why Nvidia demolished the 2080Ti price recently. The 3080 TF are 2.2x higher than the 2080TI but we know the performance difference shown is not that high so Nvidia appears to be massaging the figures there for some reason. At most the 3080 is probably around 40% faster than a 2080Ti but the specs show SM's and TF are virtually double.
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You can't necessarily compare gaming performance to TF values across different architectures - it will be interesting to see the relative RT performance and impact on potential rasterisation performance between the different architectures.
 
Gerard said:
Sounds American or Canadian but the accent is really weird on some words.
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I've heard a few people with that kind of accent - not sure the root of it but it sounds like someone who has a English speaking Southern Hemisphere parent on one side and US West coast or PNW parent on the other side and their accent is a blur of both.
 
My post appears to have been deleted? Maybe in error.

If AMD can release a card that's better than the 3070, but not a 300W power draw, think they could do very well.
 
fs123 said:
I posted this in another thread but can add to the discussion here:

A quick comparison table I made showing the XSX gpu is around 3.5x smaller than the 3080. Should show you why Nvidia demolished the 2080Ti price recently. The 3080 TF are 2.2x higher than the 2080TI but we know the performance difference shown is not that high so Nvidia appears to be massaging the figures there for some reason. At most the 3080 is probably around 40% faster than a 2080Ti but the specs show SM's and TF are virtually double.

It looks like Big Navi would seriously beat up the 3080 if AMD double the sp's to 5120. The TDP will be the only restriction but if they can keep it below 350W then that would be fine.

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Shaders are the wrong way round, the Series X has 3328 with the 5700XT 2560. :)

Sorry @JediFragger

Just assuming no IPC change in architecture RDNA1 to RDNA2 the Series X should be sitting around a 2080 Super. That's based on the TF difference, a 2080 Super is under 20% faster than a 5700XT and that's a greater than 20% difference in TF's.

Ramp that up to an 80 CU GPU (+54%) higher clocks as it looks like the Series X is actually only running about 1700Mhz, so 2Ghz? is that too high? Would be another +18% for a total of +72% GPU, take off some scaling, still ignore any possible architectural IPC improvements and an 80 CU (RDNA1 2Ghz) GPU would be 40%+ faster than a 2080TI.

That's solidly a 3080, i think a bit more.

*Speculation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
 
Journey said:
If AMD were to launch a GPU/card that was as fast as the RTX 3080, but with 12GB RAM, and price it at £749, and made a bundle with a brand new Ryzen 7 4700-RDNA2 edition included in the price and a voucher for £50/75 off an X670 motherboard, how would the reaction be from a) users, and b) Nvidia?

I feel this, from a marketing perspective, would be a great motivator for people to make it impossible to ignore AMD as a serious option, as Nvidia couldn't just drop their pricing to match the bundle, and AMD would be getting people off older platforms to a full AMD system.

Just a thought, interested to see the responses. :)
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Deals cost them profit. at least at the launch date.

Early adopting enthusiast sit waiting with their cards in hand on release date and pay what ever the price is. In a few weeks when the enthusiasts are milked dry they might just might look at deals.

Deals also depend on demand in the long run, price it to high and sales dry up when the initial hit is over, leaving the likes of me waiting for it to come down to realistic levels.

Look at the Nvidia 1200 quid card, 1200 quid ,are you nuts to pay that? Yes in my opinion but they know the enthusiasts will pay it because they must have it but the numbers are very low in comparison to the low end cards they sell to their real market, like Dell, HP etc in their millions but at low profit margins compared to the PC enthusiast who they can make decent profit off.

They control the price with supply and demand and that wont change any time soon.
 
Gerard said:
Id love to know what state he is from, I've never heard someone that puts such emphasis on certain words with certain letters, "clocks, not, clocked, stock, ut--illl-isation, optimistic, its like every word with an O in it he gives the O extra love.

And just wtf is he blabbering about at 41:20, "good sales on navi would mean they can't make as many ryzen cpu's"? Whys that exactly?
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He's Czech. I believe he goes to uni in Ireland
 
bris said:
Deals cost them profit. at least at the launch date.

Early adopting enthusiast sit waiting with their cards in hand on release date and pay what ever the price is. In a few weeks when the enthusiasts are milked dry they might just might look at deals.

Deals also depend on demand in the long run, price it to high and sales dry up when the initial hit is over, leaving the likes of me waiting for it to come down to realistic levels.

Look at the Nvidia 1200 quid card, 1200 quid ,are you nuts to pay that? Yes in my opinion but they know the enthusiasts will pay it because they must have it but the numbers are very low in comparison to the low end cards they sell to their real market, like Dell, HP etc in their millions but at low profit margins compared to the PC enthusiast who they can make decent profit off.

They control the price with supply and demand and that wont change any time soon.
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Deals also make people spend more money than they were supposed to;).

Random person was just going to buy a £400 GPU, but sees that for an extra £300 he could have a new CPU that is faster than his current one. He also gets £30 off a MB so he could pick up a mobo for his CPU for £70 instead of £100.

That person has gone from spending £400 to spending £770.
 
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