NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[Poneros]

3070 Super 10 GB, -10% performance compared to 3080, same memory bandwidth, £100 less - would you buy it over the 3080 or no?

 

[OZONE]

3070 Super 10 GB, -10% performance compared to 3080, same memory bandwidth, £100 less - would you buy it over the 3080 or no?

Do we have benchmarks? When are reviews expected?

 

[Poneros]

Do we have benchmarks? When are reviews expected?

It's a hypothetical. 14th.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

That's a rumour I heard as well, not released together. Not got a clue on which way round though.

It would be hard for reviewers to also tested too many things together due to time restraints!

I guess this time will depend on what yields Nvidia are getting back from Samsung. I mean, if they're that bad, maybe they can't release anything better right now.

True,but they could also be collecting better dies,just in case.

 

[Satchfanuk]

lol I had to go check myself as 160CU would have put it at double the 3080 performance and 80% faster than a 3090!

early Nvidia 3000 series buyers would have been crying worse than 2080ti owners were lol

If that was true I'd pay AMD whatever they wanted

 

[OZONE]

It's a hypothetical. 14th.

Based on that hypothetical, absolutely.

 

[varkanoid]

Ah that sucks. Does anyone have any idea if the people with these experiences ordered late or if they camped the store to wait for it to go live? Presumably if you're in early enough you're likely to get one. Or is literally the case if you order seconds after the store opens you're still not guaranteed stock?

I think you might be better off asking on the Nvidia forums got more chance of someone giving you an accurate answer, basically no one knows. Just dont get your hopes up for a card on the 18th September, 18th December maybe

 

[fs123]

..........first of all RTX/DLSS equivalents will be a no show. And secondly that they can avoid wasting transistors on RT and Tensor core equivalents and just focus it all on rasterization optimized cores. That means they'd be able to achieve the rasterization performance of a 3080 with a smaller chip size, therefore lower cost, lower power, better temps and better overclocking.

RT is already confirmed since the XBX /PS5 have the tech. DLSS type scaling should also be introduced as there is mention of ML for resolution scaling in the XBX features.

 

[DeliciousStorage]

Does anyone have an idea of how much better TSMC's 7nm process is compared to Samsung's 8nm? Performance per watt seems pretty disappointing with these cards so it would be interesting to know if AMD are likely to have a power efficiency advantage this time around.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Does anyone have an idea of how much better TSMC's 7nm process is compared to Samsung's 8nm? Performance per watt seems pretty disappointing with these cards so it would be interesting to know if AMD are likely to have a power efficiency advantage this time around.

I wouldnt say they have the advantage per se, it has just allowed them to bridge the gap.

 

[muon]

Does anyone have an idea of how much better TSMC's 7nm process is compared to Samsung's 8nm? Performance per watt seems pretty disappointing with these cards so it would be interesting to know if AMD are likely to have a power efficiency advantage this time around.

It doesn't quite work that way necessarily. The 5700XT which had a process advantage over Turing didn't have better performance/watt. 5700 XT was 225w and RTX 2080 was 215w. The process was far better if you look at the transistor density (transistors / die area).

 

[gpuerrilla]

RDNA2 has been stated to be +50% better per watt so its caught up imo.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

RT is already confirmed since the XBX /PS5 have the tech. DLSS type scaling should also be introduced as there is mention of ML for resolution scaling in the XBX features.

Oh yeah it's absolutely do-able, I mean all you need to do to support RT right now is conform to the new DirectX specification and you can do it on general purpose cores/transistors. But that alone wont give you enough performance to do real time visual ray tracing effects. You need dedicated transistors in RT-like and Tensor-like cores to get real time performance out of it. So the question really is, have AMD planned this for their chips? At least with the consoles, the hardware talks that have given out information on the next gen features more or less admit that ray tracing will be used for things like directional audio but not really for direct visual improvements. Which to me suggests if there is any actual dedicated transistors on the GPU for this, it's certainly a very small amount. My guess is the consoles are going to be essentially a rasterization-only generation. Unless of course they're trying to keep serious RT performance and features under wraps until launch, I sort of suspect not.

 

[muon]

RDNA2 has been stated to be +50% better per watt so its caught up imo.

It's still 7nm. I'll believe it when I see it.

Even Intel didn't get that much from their +++++ generations.

 

[wizzywig27]

Gonna put my 2070 Super on the bay tonight. What shall I put starting price at and more importantly what can I expect it to go for?

It’s a few weeks old, only turned PC on a few times in that period.

 

[Richdog]

Gonna put my 2070 Super on the bay tonight. What shall I put starting price at and more importantly what can I expect it to go for?

It’s a few weeks old, only turned PC on a few times in that period.

Have you looked at the other 2070 Supers on Ebay and checked the starting and end prices?

 

[Serial45]

Have you got a backup graphics card ?what if you cant get a new card straight away and its months before you can get a new one?

I'll get one trust me, aiming for founders but will go third party if need be.

Yeah I do tbh have a spare 2080 super system.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Have you looked at the other 2070 Supers on Ebay and checked the starting and end prices?

 

[fs123]

Oh yeah it's absolutely do-able, I mean all you need to do to support RT right now is conform to the new DirectX specification and you can do it on general purpose cores/transistors. But that alone wont give you enough performance to do real time visual ray tracing effects. You need dedicated transistors in RT-like and Tensor-like cores to get real time performance out of it. So the question really is, have AMD planned this for their chips? At least with the consoles, the hardware talks that have given out information on the next gen features more or less admit that ray tracing will be used for things like directional audio but not really for direct visual improvements. Which to me suggests if there is any actual dedicated transistors on the GPU for this, it's certainly a very small amount. My guess is the consoles are going to be essentially a rasterization-only generation. Unless of course they're trying to keep serious RT performance and features under wraps until launch, I sort of suspect not.

What are 'tensor cores'? Sure it's some fancy name for dedicated parts of the gpu that perform RT and ML tasks but why does AMD or anyone else NEED to have them? Are you saying RT cannot be done using stream processors in AMD gpu's?
You do understand that RT is performed by lots of mathematical calculations which can be done by any processing unit right? There is RT in the Crysis remastered which is being done in software and that seems fine. Here's a demo of Cryengine software RT:

 

[gpuerrilla]

Some people still think raytracing is an nvidia thing only, so it doesnt surprise me.. ^