5700XT: Fine Wine strikes again

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 13 Sep 2020 at 11:10

JediFragger said:
I read somewhere that RDNA1 still had remnants of the older GCN architecture and made writing drivers initially a bit of a 'mare. RDNA2 is completely fresh so should in theory not be so hard to get a hold of!

Could be BS who knows, but they have no excuses now they've had enough warnings!

It also means RDNA2 should also do quite well over time,as the consoles have it,ie,lots of PC dev kits will have AMD GPUs and CPUs.

Kelt said:
Stating the obvious but AMD really need to sort their drivers out once and for all.

I had to disregard an AMD card in a build I specced for my brother recently, because the system was pre-built (he lives too far away from me now) and even though he's used PC's for years, he's still totally and self admittedly an utter newb when it comes to maintaining and understanding (he doesn't want to) PC's.

I can't vouch entirely for Navi,but I know like a dozen people with Polaris based GPUs,and they seem fine to this day. Many are not really that bothered about knowing about their PC specs either.

KNiVES · 13 Sep 2020 at 11:34

CuriousTomCat said:
No because it would have been more expensive if it had this performance from the start.

The 5700XT price was based on the performance at launch. If the permance increases, it turns into a bargain for the money.

So with current performance and price point of £600 it is now a 'bargain' despite the fact that in a week's time another £50 on top will get you a card that's over twice as fast. These driver updates are too little too late.

You and all the other AMD fanboys are the most delusional cohort I have seen on this sorry forum in a very long time.

Kirby Wurm · 13 Sep 2020 at 11:44

The 5700 XT outperformed it's price equivalent at launch (the 2060S) and now competes directly with the next card up the Nvidia stack that's a decent chunk more expensive. Bad AMD, naughty AMD, squeezing more performance out of an architecture for those who already own it.

Just because a card is outperformed by a newer one at it's price point doesn't make it obsolete, as with the any older card it'll have some relevancy until people stop using it. Utter nonsense.

Jono8 · 13 Sep 2020 at 11:56

humbug said:
So this thread triggered some people.

Someone disagreeing with you =/= being triggered.

gpuerrilla · 13 Sep 2020 at 11:56

KNiVES said:
So with current performance and price point of £600 it is now a 'bargain' despite the fact that in a week's time another £50 on top will get you a card that's over twice as fast. These driver updates are too little too late.

You and all the other AMD fanboys are the most delusional cohort I have seen on this sorry forum in a very long time.

Where are you shopping its been a good price for ages?:

Jono8 · 13 Sep 2020 at 11:59

Chrisc said:
obsolete? Behave

In a months time, for £50 more you can buy a 3070 which is supposedly around 2080ti perfromance.

It is obselete, at its current price point at least.

I mean sure the 5700xt price might drop, but then the 3060 will likely match it's performance, with more features for £250-£300.

humbug · 13 Sep 2020 at 12:29

Jono8 said:
In a months time, for £50 more you can buy a 3070 which is supposedly around 2080ti perfromance.

It is obselete, at its current price point at least.

I mean sure the 5700xt price might drop, but then the 3060 will likely match it's performance, with more features for £250-£300.

You think the 3060 will be under £300? The 3070 is getting on for £500.

humbug · 13 Sep 2020 at 12:32

Ampere isn't as cheap as you think it is, its cheaper than a generation that was way over priced.

EastCoastHandle · 13 Sep 2020 at 12:38

And just as I suspected, triggers everywhere in this thread.

I guess the only thing that can be said to refute the performance uplift if the 5709 series is to imply it wasn't a good card.

But here is some truth. Nvidia never dropped prices for the 2070s. Just made it EOL And they will raise prices of the 3070/3080 by shorting supply. Gone are the days of competition affecting prices on Nvidia cards, lol

Gregster · 13 Sep 2020 at 12:39

I do laugh at this "fine wine" statement. I personally would hate to wait and wait before my GPU was where it should be. That poor individual at AMD doing the drivers should be the highest paid person there, as he is right up against it. Imagine playing Tomb raider/Metro Exodus/Horizon: Zero Dawn, completing them and then getting an extra 10 fps average. Does that make you want to go back and replay or would you rather have that extra 10 fps from the off?

stooeh · 13 Sep 2020 at 12:45

This thread delivers

humbug · 13 Sep 2020 at 12:45

Gregster said:
I do laugh at this "fine wine" statement. I personally would hate to wait and wait before my GPU was where it should be. That poor individual at AMD doing the drivers should be the highest paid person there, as he is right up against it. Imagine playing Tomb raider/Metro Exodus/Horizon: Zero Dawn, completing them and then getting an extra 10 fps average. Does that make you want to go back and replay or would you rather have that extra 10 fps from the off?

Its not about waiting, the card was competitive at its price point at the time, that's why you bought it.

Now you have a card that's about 20% faster than what you would have had if you'd bought the other one. That's a bonus.

EastCoastHandle · 13 Sep 2020 at 12:51

Gregster said:
I do laugh at this "fine wine" statement. I personally would hate to wait and wait before my GPU was where it should be. That poor individual at AMD doing the drivers should be the highest paid person there, as he is right up against it. Imagine playing Tomb raider/Metro Exodus/Horizon: Zero Dawn, completing them and then getting an extra 10 fps average. Does that make you want to go back and replay or would you rather have that extra 10 fps from the off?

Lol, performance improved on 5700 series from the beginning of this year from a card released a few months earlier. Thus been out in the market for 1 year 2 months.

It was only reviewed in the last few months of the driver performance. But we are still waiting for performance uplifts for Turing. Oh-oh looks like they stopped caring.

Does that make you want to go back and replay or would you rather have that extra 10 fps from the off?

But I like this part. For starters Nvidia stopped providing performance uplift for the 2070s. As some of those results in game show it. Another reason is because that's exactly how hampere will be reviewed. Using old games. Does it make you want to go back and replay it with hampere. Or would you rather have had ampere when the game was released.

Gregster · 13 Sep 2020 at 12:58

EastCoastHandle said:
Lol, performance improved on 5700 series from the beginning of this year from a card released a few months earlier. Thus been out in the market for 1 year 2 months.

It was only reviewed in the last few months of the driver performance .

But I like this part. Because that's exactly how ampere will be reviewed. Using old games. Does it make you want to go back and replay it with ampere. Or would you rather have had ampere when the game was released.

What do you suggest reviewers use for testing newly released cards? Should they bag 'pre-released' games and test? Use some common sense and the reason they use games that are out is to show you the difference of the latest cards against the older cards, so you can see what performance gains there are. I didn't think that needed explaining and I still wonder where I was calling you names? Put a laughy smile as much as you like but I would rather be honest instead of playing the victim!

Raiden85 · 13 Sep 2020 at 12:59

So by the time they catchup and optimise the drivers the card is now old and about to be replaced

humbug · 13 Sep 2020 at 12:59

Its scary how easy it would be for AMD to make a 3060 competitor with the new tech on the enhanced node.

AMD could knock out a tiny 200mm2 die, stick 8GB of cheap 14GB/s GDDR6 on it, flog it for next to nothing, make a bit of money on them by selling millions and call it job done.

Bacalhau · 13 Sep 2020 at 13:04

Gregster said:
I do laugh at this "fine wine" statement. I personally would hate to wait and wait before my GPU was where it should be. That poor individual at AMD doing the drivers should be the highest paid person there, as he is right up against it. Imagine playing Tomb raider/Metro Exodus/Horizon: Zero Dawn, completing them and then getting an extra 10 fps average. Does that make you want to go back and replay or would you rather have that extra 10 fps from the off?

Yeah, also think the same.
Really don't understand this fine wine crap.
It's the perfect excuse to deliver unfinished products.

EastCoastHandle · 13 Sep 2020 at 13:05

Gregster said:
What do you suggest reviewers use for testing newly released cards? Should they bag 'pre-released' games and test? Use some common sense and the reason they use games that are out is to show you the difference of the latest cards against the older cards, so you can see what performance gains there are. I didn't think that needed explaining and I still wonder where I was calling you names? Put a laughy smile as much as you like but I would rather be honest instead of playing the victim!

Use some common sense, nvidia has 0 influence in the gaming market and have to refer to exhaustive older games to show they are relevant. And charging a premium for it. They only have one new title ...lol just one game...cyberpunk 2077.

Raiden85 said:
So by the time they catchup and optimise the drivers the card is now old and about to be replaced

A card that is beating a higher teir card in which Nvidia dropped support for well before the next gen of cards were released. And that's how you claim it's about to be replaced? Ouch!

Blackjack Davy · 13 Sep 2020 at 13:05

Th0nt said:
DLSS2 is good but not worth investing a £500+ card on for one game that has it. I dont know how many games that are released every year, but the proportion of them that will harmonise with these technologies (DLSS + Raytracing) to make the game experience awesome is going to be counted on one hand.

Its a marketing tool, its fine for the 0.001% of games that support it its always in the back of people's minds and people will still be saying it when the 4000 series come out "this time its going to be good!" Its PhysX mk. 2. No dev is going to put time and money into it other than the few that are sponsored by Nvidia any more than SLI currently is. Its not in their interests to do so as game will sell well enough without it. But hey, I'm sure it'll get gud next year! And it sure adds to mindshare.

Gregster · 13 Sep 2020 at 13:10

EastCoastHandle said:
Use some common sense, nvidia has 0 influence in the gaming market and have to refer to exhaustive older games to show they are relevant. And charging a premium for it. They only have one game...lol just one game...cyberpunk 2077.

A card that is beating a higher teir card in which Nvidia dropped support for well before the next gen of cards were released. And that's how you claim it's about to be released? Ouch!

So you have no other way of showing performance metrics for newly released cards then.... Instead you try to come across as clever but failed. And sorry but what are you talking about? NVidia and AMD have a hand in the gaming market. You really think game devs just decided to add RT/DLSS etc for no apparent reason. Now that is comical and deserves a couple of these