AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[gpuerrilla]

Nice, so only 2 months late this time

I'll likely buy a 3080 and if the AMD card is better, buy the AMD card and sell the 3080.

Also to your post about 'the smart man', the smart man earns enough money that these purchases don't require too much thought process/power

Two months late from what? They said this year from the very beginning nothing more lol. You just buy your 3080 as you jest a lot.

 

[Rroff]

I don't think AMD must rely on the developers. They should enable the technologies via their own drivers.

This is the problem - you can't just enable something like that at driver level and get good results - explicit multi-adaptor needs game developers on a per game basis to tune their rendering approach based on a carnal knowledge of the way their game works and its assets and build that approach in from the ground up to make decisions to farm out rendering as they develop the game - you can't just come in after the fact and make it work with explicit multi-adaptor and get good results.

 

[Twinz]

Two months late from what? They said this year from the very beginning nothing more lol. You just buy your 3080 as you jest a lot.

Turing's terrible price/performance gave AMD an opportunity, but Ampere is closing that opening. Timing matters.

 

[aoaaron]

Two months late from what? They said this year from the very beginning nothing more lol. You just buy your 3080 as you jest a lot.

Two months late from when I could have been enjoying 4k 60fps+ gaming with the competitor. As I said, I'll get the 3080 and if needed the AMD equivalent if it performs better and sell the 3080.

I don't mind losing the odd £100 if I get a better card with better performance.

 

[aoaaron]

Turing's terrible price/performance gave AMD an opportunity, but Ampere is closing that opening. Timing matters.

Yup.

Its sad because if AMD had released their range of GPUs BEFORE Nvidia had done thier announcement, they would have been crowned as the saviours of the PC GPU-landscape pricing wise because the 20 series were a gigantic rip off from the top to the bottom.

Instead NVIDIA have managed to release a bit earlier, with a more sensible pricing regime which will make AMD's offering look less-good.

NVIDIA really did the dirty last year with the 20 series GPUs, would have loved for AMD to have showed them up with a much earlier release.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Two months late from when I could have been enjoying 4k 60fps+ gaming with the competitor. As I said, I'll get the 3080 and if needed the AMD equivalent if it performs better and sell the 3080.

I don't mind losing the odd £100 if I get a better card with better performance.

There we are. Me, me, me!! Yeah right Lisa nor Jensen dont really care, you will buy at their prices no matter what when they are available. Jumping up and down throwing toys wont make them knock your front door any quicker!

 

[Twinz]

Yup.

Its sad because if AMD had released their range of GPUs BEFORE Nvidia had done thier announcement, they would have been crowned as the saviours of the PC GPU-landscape pricing wise because the 20 series were a gigantic rip off from the top to the bottom.

Instead NVIDIA have managed to release a bit earlier, with a more sensible pricing regime which will make AMD's offering look less-good.

NVIDIA really did the dirty last year with the 20 series GPUs, would have loved for AMD to have showed them up with a much earlier release.

I still think they need to put some offers on the table and give us an idea of when they can deliver.

I think most of us could wait a while if the deal was good enough. For me, the longer I'm expected to wait, the better the offer needs to be.

No offer = No wait.

 

[aoaaron]

There we are. Me, me, me!! Yeah right Lisa nor Jensen dont really care, you will buy at their prices no matter what when they are available. Jumping up and down throwing toys wont make them knock your front door any quicker!

As a consumer, when it comes to GPUs, I do only care about myself and how the product applies to my use-case.

I couldn't give a care in the world about how it affects the GPU landscape as a whole or benefits a company.

I have no horse in this race. Whether its AMD or NVIDIA, I'll go for the superior product. Unlike yourself, I'm not really fanboying for or against either company. I'm just dissapointed AMD's releases are always so late. In the same way I'm dissapointed with NVIDIA's price gouging of the 20 series and the DLSS gimick which only applies to a handful of games.

 

[aoaaron]

I still think they need to put some offers on the table and give us an idea of when they can deliver.

I think most of us could wait a while if the deal was good enough. For me, the longer I'm expected to wait, the better the offer needs to be.

No offer = No wait.

I agree with you. Many people will go for NVIDIA otherwise. Consumers are impatient, the NVIDIA hypetrain is going at full-stead with the promise of 4k 60-120hz gaming, and with the DLSS gimicks, NVIDIA voice et al....

I'd be happy to wait for AMD if they have a superior product and release specs +/- cherry picked benchmarks to back it up. Otherwise sadly I'll buy whatever is available and start enjoying my LG CX at 4k-120hz at last. (I've waited long enough)

 

[Nablaoperator]

Yup.

Its sad because if AMD had released their range of GPUs BEFORE Nvidia had done thier announcement, they would have been crowned as the saviours of the PC GPU-landscape pricing wise because the 20 series were a gigantic rip off from the top to the bottom.

Instead NVIDIA have managed to release a bit earlier, with a more sensible pricing regime which will make AMD's offering look less-good.

NVIDIA really did the dirty last year with the 20 series GPUs, would have loved for AMD to have showed them up with a much earlier release.

I believe, with Turing, nVidia probably played their best hand. Turing was based on Volta a 20 billion transistor chip which came out to a 19 billion transistor part. nVidia probably had this pressure of outperforming the benchmarks set by their own product which turned out to be too good for their own sake. Yes, a competitive AMD would have meant better prices but I don't believe Nvidia could have worked out anything better in 2018. This is no longer the case though as the RTX 3090 is an amputated Ampere (below the waist)

 

[gpuerrilla]

I have no horse in this race. Whether its AMD or NVIDIA, I'll go for the superior product. Unlike yourself, I'm not really fanboying for or against either company. I'm just dissapointed AMD's releases are always so late. In the same way I'm dissapointed with NVIDIA's price gouging of the 20 series and the DLSS gimick which only applies to a handful of games.

I am dissapointed too the products were released sooner, or even together. I wont lose sleep or £££'s out of my coffer over it though.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

I still think they need to put some offers on the table and give us an idea of when they can deliver.

I think most of us could wait a while if the deal was good enough. For me, the longer I'm expected to wait, the better the offer needs to be.

No offer = No wait.

The right timing for their event would
have been before nvidia cards arrive in consumer hands.

Right now, AMD are not giving a tangible incentive to wait. Instead it’s literally just “hey get stuff also! We will tell 1.5 months later what it is and when you can buy it.”

That’s a pretty poor sway tactic and when you’re that much of an underdog already, you need to execute better in all areas to catch up.

 

[aoaaron]

I am dissapointed too the products were released sooner, or even together. I wont lose sleep or £££'s out of my coffer over it though.

I don't think anyones losing sleep. However for those of that want to enjoy the best gaming has to offer, they don't want to twiddle their thumbs waiting for AMD to potentially not deliver 3080/3090 performance.

If AMD even posted saying we have a card which will be stronger than the 3080, most users would happily wait. The silence however is a bit frustrating.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

I don't think anyones losing sleep. However for those of that want to enjoy the best gaming has to offer, they don't want to twiddle their thumbs waiting for AMD to potentially not deliver 3080/3090 performance.

If AMD even posted saying we have a card which will be stronger than the 3080, most users would happily wait. The silence however is a bit frustrating.

Doesn’t give me confidence in the product capabilities that they’ll do the zen3 event before Radeon. On the zen3 side there is no competitive offering from Intel they have to head off. Yet you got Nvidia unloading their arsenal. It’s the gpu, where you need to be competitive, you choose to be passive on?

 

[aoaaron]

Doesn’t give me confidence in the product capabilities that they’ll do the zen3 event before Radeon. On the zen3 side there is no competitive offering from Intel they have to head off. Yet you got Nvidia unloading their arsenal. It’s the gpu, where you need to be competitive, you choose to be passive on?

IMO It does suggest they simply don't have a high end card in their locker. But I'm happy to be proven wrong as I'd love for there to be more competition for the higher resolution 4k/120hz users.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I don't think anyones losing sleep. However for those of that want to enjoy the best gaming has to offer, they don't want to twiddle their thumbs waiting for AMD to potentially not deliver 3080/3090 performance.

If AMD even posted saying we have a card which will be stronger than the 3080, most users would happily wait for Nvidia to drop prices. The silence however is a bit frustrating.

FTFY

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I would be surprised if more than 10% of the total sales of a high end GPU happens in the first two month of release. AMD hasn't got a reason to rush. The mythical sales that AMD will lose if they don't release it ASAP, are tiny compared to the total sales of the GPU.

You're just impatient and that's okay. Just stop trying to deflect from your impatience by blaming AMD.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I would be surprised if more than 10% of the total sales of a high end GPU happens in the first two month of release. AMD hasn't got a reason to rush. The mythical sales that AMD will lose if they don't release it ASAP, are tiny compared to the total sales of the GPU.

You're just impatient and that's okay. Just stop trying to deflect from your impatience by blaming AMD.

Correct.

 

[Satchfanuk]

I don't think anyones losing sleep. However for those of that want to enjoy the best gaming has to offer, they don't want to twiddle their thumbs waiting for AMD to potentially not deliver 3080/3090 performance.

If AMD even posted saying we have a card which will be stronger than the 3080, most users would happily wait. The silence however is a bit frustrating.

Considering that we haven't even seen any official benchmarks or reviews yet, AMD have no gauge of what 'stronger than the 3080' is, and neither do we.

It's telling that Nvidia moved their review embargo to the day before consumers can buy the 3000 series, leaving AMD with little to no time in which to counter any benchmarks of Ampere.

You crack on though, enjoy your overclocked 2080ti in 3000 series guise

 

[Lokken86]

Considering that we haven't even seen any official benchmarks or reviews yet, AMD have no gauge of what 'stronger than the 3080' is, and neither do we.

It's telling that Nvidia moved their review embargo to the day before consumers can buy the 3000 series, leaving AMD with little to no time in which to counter any benchmarks of Ampere.

You crack on though, enjoy your overclocked 2080ti in 3000 series guise

AMD probably do know how strong the 3080 is. Likewise Nvidia are probably well aware what they've got too.