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5700XT: Fine Wine strikes again

Gray2233 said:
Budget dependent of course, but the 5700XT was comparable to the 2070S for a very long time while being considerably cheaper. If you're literally talking about the best of the best, AMD simply didn't have a product within that price range. Look at this way, someone could have bought a 5700XT for around £330-350 or a 2070S for around £430-450 (The cheapest I personally remembering the cards being). The user who bought the 2070S had slightly better performance in most areas but might have had added benefit due to being streamers or needing certain technology NV offered and mostly worry free drivers. The 5700XT user had slightly fewer fewer features, potential issues with drivers, and ultimately better performance as time went on, which for longer term users would be beneficial.

I think for the 'general' gamer, driver issues aside, the 5700XT would have been the better buy, but the stigma of 'driver issues' and 'hot and power hungry' tends to bite AMD every single generation and has done for a long time even when it hasn't been true.
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Definitley. For the general PC gamer who is at 1440p or 1080p, I'd go for AMD everyday. You're going to be well over 60fps on either card, the AMD card will be cheaper and will mature better and they are normally less stingey with VRAM too.

Its 4K where things get complicated because we're just so close to the 60fps line on a lot of games that every single bit of power matters to get a smooth experience.
 
aoaaron said:
Definitley. For the general PC gamer who is at 1440p or 1080p, I'd go for AMD everyday. You're going to be well over 60fps on either card, the AMD card will be cheaper and will mature better and they are normally less stingey with VRAM too.

Its 4K where things get complicated because we're just so close to the 60fps line on a lot of games that every single bit of power matters to get a smooth experience.
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Absolutely.

Hopefully AMD pull out a competent 4K card, I don't even think they need to necessarily compete with Nvidia's top end. They just need to deliver a solid product at a good price with relatively hassle free drivers and they will get a lot of people buying into them. The 2080ti was a 'decent' 4K card, although I'd argue it was a better high refresh 1440P card. With the 3070 supposedly being faster, all AMD need is something that can compete with Nvidia's higher end mid range, so 3080 performance give or take rather than the 3090 or eventual 3080ti. I don't think it makes any sense for them to try and compete with the top end, Nvidia simply has much more money to throw at these things, they just need to be attractive to a slightly more budget orientated consumer with a 4K tv or monitor, both of which are increasingly common.
 
So many werido's in the graphics card forums, with their narrow minded viewpoints, only having exposure to one card every couple of years but are experts on drivers, and performance etc. with literally no first hand use of the cards, using only anecdotal stories posted on a forum(s) to try and make a position that seems tenable.

Come back and make a point when you've used 10/100's of cards a year, and you can actually provide first hand examples of the quality or lack thereof, it really is pathetic almost like tribalism with built in stupidity, it is worse than political allegiances. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Journey said:
It's directed to no specific person, just the usual **** you see on every GPU thread.
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Fair enough.

I've used AMD/ATI cards of almost every generation since the 9500 I had soft modded to a 9700 almost 20 years ago. I've used a lot of Nvidia cards too, this includes personally and fitting them for other people.

I've had very few problems with either vendor on a personal level, and I do feel AMD gets a horribly poor rep when it comes to certain issues even when it isn't warranted. Nvidia has released some absolute monsters in terms of heat and power use, but they tend to be forgotten or ignored by the same people that decry AMD for the same things even when it simply isn't true.
 
Gray2233 said:
Fair enough.

I've used AMD/ATI cards of almost every generation since the 9500 I had soft modded to a 9700. I've used a lot of Nvidia cards too, this includes personally and fitting them for other people.

I've had very few problems with either vendor on a personal level, and I do feel AMD gets a horribly poor rep when it comes to certain issues even when it isn't warranted. Nvidia has released some absolute monsters in terms of heat and power use, but they tend to be forgotten or ignored by the same people that decry AMD for the same things even when it simply isn't true.
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I use anything from two or three different cards per week, up to 20+ and beyond and the one thing I can say is this, pure and simple they are both as bad/good as each other, it really is no more complicated than that. There are times where one company shines, and another where it is as dull as a 50 year old copper roof but the rest is just pure balls.

I've no idea why people feel the need to support or create a malicious falsehood about any company, of course they could be bitter about wasting money, or having a bad experience, or a friend told them they were bad etc. or on the flip side have suffered nothing over a decade and only have praise and therefore sing that from the rooftops, you know how it is.

Best cards you can get are Matrox anyhow, anyone who says anything else is a crazy mofo. :D
 
Journey said:
So many werido's in the graphics card forums, with their narrow minded viewpoints, only having exposure to one card every couple of years but are experts on drivers, and performance etc. with literally no first hand use of the cards, using only anecdotal stories posted on a forum(s) to try and make a position that seems tenable.
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Journey said:
..they are both as bad/good as each other, it really is no more complicated than that. There are times where one company shines, and another where it is as dull as a 50 year old copper roof but the rest is just pure balls.

I've no idea why people feel the need to support or create a malicious falsehood about any company, of course they could be bitter about wasting money, or having a bad experience, or a friend told them they were bad etc. or on the flip side have suffered nothing over a decade and only have praise and therefore sing that from the rooftops, you know how it is.
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Its the black and white of it.
 
Journey said:
I use anything from two or three different cards per week, up to 20+ and beyond and the one thing I can say is this, pure and simple they are both as bad/good as each other, it really is no more complicated than that. There are times where one company shines, and another where it is as dull as a 50 year old copper roof but the rest is just pure balls.

I've no idea why people feel the need to support or create a malicious falsehood about any company, of course they could be bitter about wasting money, or having a bad experience, or a friend told them they were bad etc. or on the flip side have suffered nothing over a decade and only have praise and therefore sing that from the rooftops, you know how it is.

Best cards you can get are Matrox anyhow, anyone who says anything else is a crazy mofo. :D
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I'll post you a medal rofl
 
Journey said:
Best cards you can get are Matrox anyhow, anyone who says anything else is a crazy mofo. :D
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Journey confirmed MiB!?! :p

I do agree, there's a lot of 'word of mouth' problems and as stated I've really never had an issue I couldn't solve with either vendor. The worst problems I have had in the past few years I suspect were related more to Windows 10 than the cards and their drivers.
 
Journey said:
Medal, I want a Knighthood FFS! :p
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rofl ;-) you'll have to get infront of all the corrupt business men, and kiddy fiddlers beforenighthoods ar handed out mate, decent people don't tget them anymore lol. Funny you mention Matrox man, I had a Matrox Mystque 2mb linked toa 3Dfx... now that was a kickass system playing Demolition Derby, those were the days!!!
 
Gray2233 said:
Budget dependent of course, but the 5700XT was comparable to the 2070S for a very long time while being considerably cheaper. If you're literally talking about the best of the best, AMD simply didn't have a product within that price range. Look at this way, someone could have bought a 5700XT for around £330-350 or a 2070S for around £430-450 (The cheapest I personally remembering the cards being). The user who bought the 2070S had slightly better performance in most areas but might have had added benefit due to being streamers or needing certain technology NV offered and mostly worry free drivers. The 5700XT user had slightly fewer fewer features, potential issues with drivers, and ultimately better performance as time went on, which for longer term users would be beneficial.

I think for the 'general' gamer, driver issues aside, the 5700XT would have been the better buy. Unfortunately the stigma of 'driver issues' and 'hot and power hungry' tends to bite AMD every single generation and has done for a long time even when it hasn't been true.
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Like mine, £330... what a ###### bargain! :D
 
Jono8 said:
Incorrect.

Look at what Nvidia are selling the 3070, 3080 and 3090 for UK price wise.
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As an aside nVidia are obviously being very generous with their sterling/dollar conversion as they pretty much always do. For a heads-up, AMD usually aren't so generous and will probably work on a 1:1 at a minimum.
 
JediFragger said:
As an aside nVidia are obviously being very generous with their sterling/dollar conversion as they pretty much always do. For a heads-up, AMD usually aren't so generous and will probably work on a 1:1 at a minimum.
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$699/1.27 then add VAT is £655... If you call £6 generous then, well... ;)
 
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