AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Sargatanas2511 · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:17

DmitryD said:
If it was planned for October, then it isn't ready by design - one has to book wafer production and other stuff well in advance, I am personally amazed Covid-19 did not push everything to next year

It has always been planned for Q4 2020. October is just a large reveal, possibly even the actual launch, we don't know.

james.miller · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:21

jjgreenwood said:
Lets face it if nvidia wasn't there then AMD would have us happy to chase 10fps over a console at console settings.

You don't think nVidia would sit on their laurels if AMD didnt exist? because...you know...they already have done as a result of no competition at the top end.

You are clearly biased!

jjgreenwood · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:24

james.miller said:
You don't think nVidia would sit on their laurels if AMD didnt exist? because...you know...they already have done as a result of no competition at the top end.

You are clearly biased!

No I don't I think they would continue to find reasons to sell you another card like they have done. I'm not biased - that is impossible as there is nothing to be biased against.

james.miller · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:27

jjgreenwood said:
No I don't I think they would continue to find reasons to sell you another card like they have done. I'm not biased - that is impossible as there is nothing to be biased against.

You clearly are. You think AMD would sit without nVidia yet you don't think nVidia would do the same. You can't be thinking straight because they'd both do it. Monopolies do not work in the consumer's favour. You also seem to think nVidia are solely responsibly for pushing the industry forward while AMD hasnt done anything for years? and you accredit physics to nVidia within that? That's so untrue it's almost unbelievable that anybody would try to claim that and a lack of bias in the same post.

gpuerrilla · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:29

@jjgreenwood from what I read you are definitely not neutral.

Joxeon · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:36

jjgreenwood said:
Their budget isn't my problem, I'll buy the best product not buy something because I feel sorry for the company and their lack of money.

I guess your in for a 3090 then or two?.

jjgreenwood · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:36

james.miller said:
You clearly are. You think AMD would sit without nVidia yet you don't think nVidia would do the same. You can't be thinking straight because they'd both do it. Monopolies do not work in the consumer's favour. You also seem to think nVidia are solely responsibly for pushing the industry forward while AMD hasnt done anything for years? and you accredit physics to nVidia within that? That's so untrue it's almost unbelievable that anybody would try to claim that and a lack of bias in the same post.

You are missing the point. AMD has sat around and done nothing for years. Nvidia has been alone in pushing the boundaries. Whatever you think about everything else there is no argument with this.

The physics argument is years old but it can't be denied that Nvidia were the ones to market it hard. Much like raytracing, smoke effects, weather effects, hair effects etc etc. I use that as evidence that nvidia pushes the boundaries of graphics. Nothing more and nothing less. Perhaps you disagree and think these effects would be mainstream without nvidia I leave your opinion to yourself.

jjgreenwood · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:41

Joxeon said:
I guess your in for a 3090 then or two?.

No just a 3080, I did buy a HD7970 on release quite a few years ago, eventually a good card but initially the drivers were not very good at all and it would take months for a game to run properly. Back then that card was a proper high end card compared to what they have released recently. I generally find an AMD card displays colours better than nvidia for some reason, everything seems sharper. That said nvidia card ownership seems easier in every other way.

james.miller · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:42

jjgreenwood said:
You are missing the point. AMD has sat around and done nothing for years. Nvidia has been alone in pushing the boundaries. Whatever you think about everything else there is no argument with this.

No, they didnt sit and do nothing. They doubled down and saved the company. You are either not aware of what the company has been doing or are wilfully ignoring it.

The physics argument is years old but it can't be denied that Nvidia were the ones to market it hard

As i've already said, nvidia bought the company then buried the tech. So no, not even close. When they buy ARM, and it's looking ever more likely that they will, are you going to claim nVidia are to thank for all the advances made in mobile processing?

Much like raytracing, smoke effects, weather effects, hair effects etc etc. I use that as evidence that nvidia pushes the boundaries of graphics. Nothing more and nothing less. Perhaps you disagree and think these effects would be mainstream without nvidia I leave your opinion to yourself.

This isnt really about my opinion, it's you thinking the sun shines out of the backside of one company while the other isn't fit to feed to your dog. At some point you will realise that nVidia are no shining knight. I can only assume you haven't been an enthusiast that long, because there's just no explanation for it otherwise.

jjgreenwood · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:45

james.miller said:
No, they didnt sit and do nothing. They doubled down and saved the company. You are neither not aware of what the company has been doing or are wilfully ignoring it.

As i've already said, nvidia bought the company then buried the tech. So no, not even close.

This isnt really about my opinion, it's you thinking the sun shines out of the backside of one company while the other isn't fit to feed to your dog. At some point you will realise that nVidia are no shining knight. I can only assume you haven't been an enthusiast that long, because there's just no explanation or it otherwise.

So I take it from your tone you want nvidia to produce cards of lesser quality than AMD to give them a chance? Seems odd.

This is nothing to do with my arse or my dog.

james.miller · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:51

jjgreenwood said:
So I take it from your tone you want nvidia to produce cards of lesser quality than AMD to give them a chance? Seems odd.

This is nothing to do with my arse or my dog.

No, i never said nor implied that. You are misrepresenting what i said - 'complete strawman.

No, I don't want nvidia to stop. I want nvidia to keep innovating and also give consumers the best value for money they can. And as far as AMD goes, i'd love them to be competitive at the top end again. The difference is, i never expected AMD to try to while they were sorting their company out and not only that, but told us they wouldnt be.

I'm guessing that's not the answer you were hoping for, right?

jjgreenwood · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:57

james.miller said:
No, i never said nor implied that. You are misrepresenting what i said - 'complete strawman.

No, I don't want nvidia to stop. I want nvidia to keep innovating and also give consumers the best value for money they can. And as far as AMD goes, i'd love them to be competitive at the top end again. The difference is, i never expected AMD to try to while they were sorting their company out and not only that, but told us they wouldnt be.

I'm guessing that's not the answer you were hoping for, right?

I suspect you and me are in agreement in being thankful nvidia have existed whilst nobody else is bothered about pushing the envelope for graphics. Perhaps we agree on something after all.

Personally I'm not interested in the rivalry and I also suspect nvidia will probably have the best all round product this time round as well. I'm certain enough to feel secure buying a 3080 on release. Don't get me wrong if I felt the AMD product was going to be significantly better then I would wait for that, but don't get confused and misconstrue that as me being a fanboy. AMD has to prove themselves in this market as their track record isn't great.

K1LaW8tt5 · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:57

Physx lol, yes only for Nvidia bought and buried it where would we be eh.

Joxeon · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:58

jjgreenwood said:
I use that as evidence that nvidia pushes the boundaries of graphics. Nothing more and nothing less. Perhaps you disagree and think these effects would be mainstream without nvidia I leave your opinion to yourself.

I wouldn't call raytracing mainstream, if anything it's AMDs tech in the consoles that will push it to mainstream.

It's like a lot of other nvidia techs where they get there first but they usual go with an implementation that is expensive and over engineered and is also locked down so only they can benefit and not the industry as a whole. AMD then comes along with a more simplified version which generally gets adopted for the mainstream like freesync for example but even then nvidia tries to steal in and make it look like it's now an nvidia tech with the Nvidia G-sync branding on freesync monitors.

humbug · 13 Sep 2020 at 22:58

jjgreenwood said:
You are missing the point. AMD has sat around and done nothing for years. Nvidia has been alone in pushing the boundaries. Whatever you think about everything else there is no argument with this.

The physics argument is years old but it can't be denied that Nvidia were the ones to market it hard. Much like raytracing, smoke effects, weather effects, hair effects etc etc. I use that as evidence that nvidia pushes the boundaries of graphics. Nothing more and nothing less. Perhaps you disagree and think these effects would be mainstream without nvidia I leave your opinion to yourself.

None of what you just listed there was created by Nvidia. none of it.

VincentHanna · 13 Sep 2020 at 23:00

humbug said:
None of what you just listed there was created by Nvidia. none of it.

He didn't say it was, he said "Nvidia were the ones to market it hard"

humbug · 13 Sep 2020 at 23:03

VincentHanna said:
He didn't say it was, he said "Nvidia were the ones to market it hard"

Well, yeah.....

Try writing an entire Graphics API from the ground up that made DX11 look like the junk that it is and then give it all away for free to force the industry forward.

If Nvidia did even half of that i might be impressed.

Gerard · 13 Sep 2020 at 23:04

This thread....

gpuerrilla · 13 Sep 2020 at 23:05

jjgreenwood said:
Don't get me wrong if I felt the AMD product was going to be significantly better then I would wait for that, but don't get confused and misconstrue that as me being a fanboy. AMD has to prove themselves in this market as their track record isn't great.

This old chestnut again. Its like the ultimate top trump card to play after you berate AMD constantly yet when pinned to the wall about any kind of fanboyism traits use this. 9/10 when you press this demographic it boils down to unless AMD release a card that home runs in every aspect the default choice is going to be "I will get an nvidia card as <excuse>".

By your own admission unless AMD have a superior DLSS, raytracing, physx, whatever feature your not going to consider them which is pretty much worthless when saying "Dont get me wrong.. I would buy AMD" response.

Joxeon said:
I wouldn't call raytracing mainstream, if anything it's AMDs tech in the consoles that will push it to mainstream.

It's like a lot of other nvidia techs where they get there first but they usual go with an implementation that is expensive and over engineered and is also locked down so only they can benefit and not the industry as a whole. AMD then comes along with a more simplified version which generally gets adopted for the mainstream like freesync for example but even then nvidia tries to steal in and make it look like it's now an nvidia tech with the Nvidia G-sync branding on freesync monitors.

Pretty good summation pal.

K1LaW8tt5 · 13 Sep 2020 at 23:06

VincentHanna said:
He didn't say it was, he said "Nvidia were the ones to market it hard"

Yes but he's using marketing as proof of "pushing boundaries" which just shows he's been brainwashed