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Most of the current full EV cars are exactly this. They are not the future. The future ev cars will be massively better and far more useful.
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Most of the current full EV cars are exactly this. They are not the future. The future ev cars will be massively better and far more useful.
You have to outlay 10k extra at year 0 to get the saving, what is this if it isn't an investment?
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P is for Plug, not Diesel.
Other benefit is you can make 4 or 5 PHEVs with the same cells as a single BEV. If people plug them in that will lower emissions far quicker.
It's buying a mode of transport which depending on your usage may or may not save you money over time. Do you make the same facile argument against someone buying a diesel car when they do 30-40k miles a year just because it costs a bit more up front?
Trying to argue against the suitability as an "investment" is just a ridiculous strawman to cover up your clear dislike of EVs which has been evident throughout this thread
Yea, I dislike EVs so much that I am 100% replacing one of my cars with one at some point and 50% likely the other. That's how much I dislike them.
What I'm not though is a fanboy blind to the (significant) downsides.
You can't argue that a 10k cost premium on what is essentially a poor quality city car isn't an investment to achieve lower running costs. You're spending 10k more than the same car with a petrol engine to get the lower running costs of the EV.
If the MG wasn't an EV nobody would buy it. It's ridiculous to compare it with Golf.
What I'm not though is a fanboy blind to the (significant) downsides.
You can't argue that a 10k cost premium on what is essentially a poor quality city car isn't an investment to achieve lower running costs. You're spending 10k more than the same car with a petrol engine to get the lower running costs of the EV.
If the MG wasn't an EV nobody would buy it. It's ridiculous to compare it with Golf.
Well you are either going to have to keep an ICE forever or eventually replace it, you literally have no option if you ever want a new car in the not so far off future.
It's like saying at some point I plan on dying, just not right now.
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I've saved £446 in diesel costs over 3029 miles. I'd need to do 67,000 miles to save £10,000, remaining as 'thrifty' as I am now; not impossible if you can charge at work which some of the cheaper/lower range EVs are more suited towards. That and £0 tax and whatever other benefits you're eligible for (free residents parking for me for example, no/low congestion charge if you're that neck of the woods) and it's definitely feasible to save >£10,000 over the life of the vehicle/ownership vs ICE.
What did you used to drive, a 7.5 tonne truck?!
I think it was fairly obvious I meant in the near future. I'll spell it out for you - I will certainly replace one of our cars with the full EV version when I replace it in the next year or two. That decision is made, the only reason I'm not doing it tomorrow is that we've only had it 2 years and we got it new. I will likely replace my other car with some sort of PHEV when I replace it within the next year (if I don't go for one last fun petrol alternative).
In not anti EV. Quite the opposite, I think decent electric vehicles are the future. However I also think very few Evs on the market currently classify as decent and many are oberhyped. The MG is a classic case in point. It's difficult to think of a more crap car for 25 grand.
The EV debate is currently filled with people jumping through hoops to try and justify shortcomings and bat off any criticism, however valid, of their chosen method of propulsion. It's like the graphics card forum at times
The market for EVs is very immature and awash with sub standard products. Why else would we need so many financial incentives and penalties for ICE cars to get people to swap? If the cars stood on their own merits we wouldn't need that.
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Haha, not quite, Kia Sportage. That's based on 15p per mile which I believe is circa 33mpg, ish? Which is what I got on average out of that after 50,000 miles.
My EV charging costs are £7.77 and £4.50 of that was a single charge last week.
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Agree, in my mind I wrote PDHEV but seems I lost the P from the front, I dont think any hybrids right now are diesel are they? Just really trying to say if your main source of energy is ice then for longer distances diesel is still better
Certainly everyone seems to assume PHEV is petrol, but it get it its trying to make the fuel source irrelevant, when in reality its still the main source from everything I can tell of the people typically getting them (fleet cars mainly to in effect cheat emissions)
Did just think though merc do a e300de now, did they always, did fleet buyers just not care about diesel when petrol PHEVs achieve such low emissions for BIK rules.
Glad you're hear to help us see the light (hopefully someone gets the 'joke').Not only you can be a pendant on the motors sub forum.
Shame I don't have you installed in my phone as the auto correct function.
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I think they still attract the 3% diesel surcharge aswell as higher P11d?
If it wasn't an EV it would be £10k cheaper. I'm not trying to argue its a fantastic investment which will save you money, I'm pointing out that actually it's not that bad a deal if you take running costs into account, and that the fact it costs £10k upfront is moot if you save that much in fuel over its life.
Its hardly an equal comparison against a £25k ice which will cost you an extra £10k over 5 years, so which £15k estate would you choose over the MG?
It's not moot at all - it's 10 grand that you have to source and commit up front. This isn't 'moot'. This is 'quite a big deal'. And so long as this situation continues to exist, people will continue to ignore EV's unless they are incentivised into them by tax breaks or pushed out of ICE cars by punitive treatment.
If the EV made general sense for most people in its currently available form we wouldn't need to legislate to ban petrol cars - people simply wouldnt want to buy them and the problem would solve itself. We should therefore be somewhat concerned that the only real plan is to ban people buying anything that isn't an EV. Why is this needed if the EV concept isn't inherently flawed in some way?
