AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Calin Banc]

One thing that worries me is going to be the price, if AMD top tier performance sits between 3080 ad 3090 thats a huge gap in price as well... If they are smart they will undersell the 3080 which will make the 3090 also irrelevant as there's not much difference in performance between it and the 3090.

Going off recent leaks and that annoying guy called Paul whose voice makes me want to punch him in the throat, if Navi 21 sits performance wise between 3080 and 3090 AMD need to release at £600 for Reference models, if they release at that price point i believe theyll clean up if the rasterization performance is there.

With regards to Ray Tracing, i couldn't give a monkeys as i dont think i even own a game with it lol.

I do think the cards can be potentially cheap as well as the 7nm node is extremely mature now, yields are reputedly very good.

Damn i think im in danger of buying a ticket to climb aboard the hype train

Cyberpunk2077 should be a nice shower for RT. AMD failing at it (if it will), won't be too good.

 

[DDH]

The guys are trolling - they think there is small performance improvement between RTX 2080/RTX 2080 Ti and RTX 3080/RTX 3090 which is obviously not the case with up to 100 and higher % performance RTX uplift.

The graphs you show incorporate the performance uplift from the ampere architecture as well as RT acceleration improvement.

I'll mention it again the RT *acceleration* performance of ampere is only around 10% better than Turing, excluding the performance uplift of the 3080 over the 2080ti.

This matters because you claim rdna2 RT performance will only be a bit better than Turing. If this is the case and the 80cu top card is as fast as the 3080/3090 than it will have the same performance as ampere with RT switched on

The fact that RT performance doesn't improve over ampere was evident in the DF tribute video way back before reviews were our, when with RT off in control the 3080 was 80% faster than the 2080, and with RT on in control the 3080 was 80% faster than the 2080, as in no or very little performance improvement for RT of the ampere architecture over Turing.

It's all in HWUB video

 

[Nablaoperator]

Cyberpunk2077 should be a nice shower for RT. AMD failing at it (if it will), won't be too good.

That's not going to happen, cp2077 is also targeted for rerelease on ps5 with RT effects.. would be more wary of rt games being bundled with Ampere.

But there's also this chance that cp77 turns out to be a big flop..There's always that slight probability.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1309720838183071747

That is a brilliant advert by AUDI.

Lets see if it turns out true for AMD.

 

[Nablaoperator]

Or it's 128 ROPs.

But that second pic puts 2 render back ends at 8 rops... any supporting info from Xbox/ps?

 

[gpuerrilla]

One thing that worries me is going to be the price, if AMD top tier performance sits between 3080 ad 3090 thats a huge gap in price as well... If they are smart they will undersell the 3080 which will make the 3090 also irrelevant as there's not much difference in performance between it and the 3090.

Going off recent leaks and that annoying guy called Paul whose voice makes me want to punch him in the throat, if Navi 21 sits performance wise between 3080 and 3090 AMD need to release at £600 for Reference models, if they release at that price point i believe theyll clean up if the rasterization performance is there.

With regards to Ray Tracing, i couldn't give a monkeys as i dont think i even own a game with it lol.

I do think the cards can be potentially cheap as well as the 7nm node is extremely mature now, yields are reputedly very good.

Damn i think im in danger of buying a ticket to climb aboard the hype train

Thats a ditto from me.

I just replied mention this vid.

I wouldn't try to troll you, I'd never come close to your skill level. But regardless go and look at the hardware unboxed vid. It's all there. Ampere RT is only slightly better than Turing.

Yep they basically said its not much if any improvement, having more grunt makes it seem like its better at RT.

 

[gpuerrilla]

RTX performance Turing vs Ampere:

Control RTX:.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-review?page=5

This is another folly. Why are people now going back to 1440p? The whole point of the new cards was because the 2080Ti couldnt do it at 4k. People were hoping you could, now all of a sudden they drop benchmarks @ 1440p lol.

Why not show 2080Ti fps then show 3080 fps in control? It will be a tad better thats all.

This matters because you claim rdna2 RT performance will only be a bit better than Turing. If this is the case and the 80cu top card is as fast as the 3080/3090 than it will have the same performance as ampere with RT switched on

Exactly what my simple maths came up with. LOL, of RDNA2 is better than turing then... its around the same ffs. Anyway it will be on more games for sure as it will have all the console ports off the bat being same arch.

 

[stooeh]

The graphs you show incorporate the performance uplift from the ampere architecture as well as RT acceleration improvement.

I'll mention it again the RT *acceleration* performance of ampere is only around 10% better than Turing, excluding the performance uplift of the 3080 over the 2080ti.

This matters because you claim rdna2 RT performance will only be a bit better than Turing. If this is the case and the 80cu top card is as fast as the 3080/3090 than it will have the same performance as ampere with RT switched on

The fact that RT performance doesn't improve over ampere was evident in the DF tribute video way back before reviews were our, when with RT off in control the 3080 was 80% faster than the 2080, and with RT on in control the 3080 was 80% faster than the 2080, as in no or very little performance improvement for RT of the ampere architecture over Turing.

It's all in HWUB video

It's the relative RTX performance that is similar between Turing and Ampere showing that when turned on you lose a similar percent of performance. That could also mean that it scales equally with the rest of the cards non RTX abilities. If RDNA2 is using cores for ray tracing that it could otherwise use for rasterization then that could explain why it would be as fast as Turing but not Ampere?

 

[greatash]

That's not going to happen, cp2077 is also targeted for rerelease on ps5 with RT effects.. would be more wary of rt games being bundled with Ampere.

But there's also this chance that cp77 turns out to be a big flop..There's always that slight probability.

Cp2077 is an Nvidia game, cdpr loves Nvidia. Don't remember the Witcher 3 launch where it ran crap on AMD/Kepler but fine on Maxwell?

On launch its pretty much guaranteed to run best on ampere and crap on everything else

 

[Nablaoperator]

Going by the assumptions in this thread..looks like nvidia will have to do mid life product upgrade in 2021 if it still wants to retain the crown

 

[Calin Banc]

That's not going to happen, cp2077 is also targeted for rerelease on ps5 with RT effects.. would be more wary of rt games being bundled with Ampere.

But there's also this chance that cp77 turns out to be a big flop..There's always that slight probability.

Consoles most likely won't offer the same performance, they simply can't.

In terms of RT stuff implemented, it should right there with Control if not more.

 

[shankly1985]

If Amd navi 21 is 80cu then the 3080 will easy be beaten.

Nvidia have lost a lot of respect with this launch people now have amd on the radar. This is a big moment for Amd to try and win back some of the market from people that would otherwise be buying nvidia.

It's a massive opportunity that they must get right from day one pricing and performance along with drivers.

 

[Nablaoperator]

Cp2077 is an Nvidia game, cdpr loves Nvidia. Don't remember the Witcher 3 launch where it ran crap on AMD/Kepler but fine on Maxwell?

On launch its pretty much guaranteed to run best on ampere and crap on everything else

This time it's different there's going to be feature set and standards parity between consoles and PCs.. but nvidia might sneak in an ultra rt mode, should not be core to the game, an add-on maybe

 

[shankly1985]

Cp2077 is an Nvidia game, cdpr loves Nvidia. Don't remember the Witcher 3 launch where it ran crap on AMD/Kepler but fine on Maxwell?

On launch its pretty much guaranteed to run best on ampere and crap on everything else

It ran poor on amd because of hair works high amount of tessellation. Forcing this lower on drivers helped a lot then better on future amd cards that followed because they handle tessellation much better.

 

[DDH]

Going by the assumptions in this thread..looks like nvidia will have to do mid life product upgrade in 2021 if it still wants to retain the crown

Rdna3 is slated for release in 2021, maybe on 5nm. So NVIDIA will need to bring something.

I believe AMD are trying for yearly releases with GPUs like CPUs

 

[DDH]

It's the relative RTX performance that is similar between Turing and Ampere showing that when turned on you lose a similar percent of performance. That could also mean that it scales equally with the rest of the cards non RTX abilities. If RDNA2 is using cores for ray tracing that it could otherwise use for rasterization then that could explain why it would be as fast as Turing but not Ampere?

Perhaps, but ampere suffers enormous fps drops enabling RT much like Turing. What i would be interested in knowing is if the RT cores are bottlenecking the rest of the architecture being while it is on. If this is the case then perhaps AMDs hybrid approach will utilise more of the architecture vs ampere/turing

 

[gpuerrilla]

If it tanks performance too much then its not worth turning on. However I cant see consoles adopting it if it cant work, and the PC's of enthusiasts are far more powerful than the consoles so I think yes - the hybrid approach will be enough @DDH

 

[Zefan]

This is looking better and better for AMD. I really, really hope they deliver.

 

[FoxEye]

This is looking better and better for AMD. I really, really hope they deliver.

I'm sure they will. Some time in 2021

 

[michty_me]

I'm sure they will. Some time in 2021

Either that or get a defective 3000 series in 2021.