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pooley said:
the term 'flagship' may be subjective but i think it is safe to say in the context of gpu's at least the vast majority of people will and have connected that term with the fastest and you saying it's not will not change that fact..
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It's not subjective. The Oxford English dictionary definition is "The best or most important thing owned or produced by a particular organization." https://www.lexico.com/definition/flagship

In this case it clearly refers to the overall best and most important in product in the Ampere lineup, which is the 3080. The 3090 is of no significance or importance other than a BS 8k marketing exercise.
 
Well, objectively in all ways the 3080 was the flagship until the 3090 was in people's hands, once that was out the debate could get started properly.

But yeah, more subjectively I'd say the flagship would be the most defining, usually most performant/shiny/expensive of the series (not best, that's extremely subjective ... what's best for one will not be best for another). Normally that would be the Titans, right now to me that's obviously the 3090. And I don't really care what Jensen thinks the flagship is ;)
 
Richdog said:
It's not subjective. The Oxford English dictionary definition is "The best or most important thing owned or produced by a particular organization." https://www.lexico.com/definition/flagship

In this case it clearly refers to the overall best and most important in product in the Ampere lineup, which is the 3080. The 3090 is of no significance or importance other than a BS 8k marketing exercise.
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that's all well and good but you ask any pc gamer what flagship is and they are not quoting the oxford dictionary they will think of the fastest gpu just as Shiari states
 
smr said:
nvidia have set the 3080 and named it as their flagship graphics card, but it's subjective? So nvidia who designed, invented and own their own product have said it's their flagship card but that's subjective? What.
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You mean because Nvidia introduced the 1070ti over the 1070. Then introduced the 2060s - 2080s over the 2060 - 2080. We should now believe that the 3080 is the only flagship card throughout space and time. For all eternatity...and not use critical thinking to at least assume that the same could happen again with the 3080 as it has happen the prior 2 generations...even in a row?
 
EastCoastHandle said:
You mean because Nvidia introduced the 1070ti over the 1070. Then introduced the 2060s - 2080s over the 2060 - 2080. We should now believe that the 3080 is the only flagship card throughout space and time. For all eternatity...and not use critical thinking to at least assume that the same could happen again with the 3080 as it has happen the prior 2 generations...even in a row?
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Critical thinking? We should believe the 3080 is the only flagship.... What?? :confused:

You realise the 2080ti and before that the 1080ti was nVidias previous flagships. Right? Go check their product pages, the wording is still there. I have no idea why you are trying to infer that anybody suggested the 3080 is, was and will be the only flagship model. Weird.
 
Th0nt said:
But this got lost a long time ago. The price of a 'high-end' graphics card should be no more than £500. Paying for the 'flagship' or the 'best' is just playing into their hands which causes this bar raised mentality with pricing to boot.
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Unfortunately watching videos of people queuing outside shops for 3080/90's goes to show there are people ok with paying £800-£1500 for GPU's. I dont want to judge people for it, as its their money and they can do what they want with it, but c'mon £800-£1500+ for a GPU is mental!
 
October the 8th is the AMD card announcement cannot wait to see what they show. Not getting my hopes up too much after the HBM memory fiasco. ;)
 
TNA said:
I like how you said even you agree with it :p

It obviously is. The guy also thinks the RTX 2060 is an high end card, so... lol.
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All the way back through history, the 60 series was a middle card. I got the 560 as I wasn't so flush with cash back then (both my daughters owned horses) at a reasonable £180 ish and I gamed happy as Larry. Not sure why I decided to go top line for a long time but even with my lack of common sense, I can't keep justifying paying £1400 and more each time. I still will say fair play to those that buy the 3090 though, as will most of us but clearly the 3090 is a replacement of the 2080Ti, as is the 3080 the replacement of the 2080 and so on....

Not even worth arguing over really and I guess people see it as they want but price wise, it is getting an expensive hobby for the top tier guys and the middle road peeps are also having to dig a lot deeper than normal.
 
itchy said:
October the 8th is the AMD card announcement cannot wait to see what they show. Not getting my hopes up too much after the HBM memory fiasco. ;)
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I am begging they have a decent card and they don't mess up the launch. With NVidia having AIB card issues, there has never been a better time to hurt them.
 
james.miller said:
Critical thinking? We should believe the 3080 is the only flagship.... What?? :confused:

You realise the 2080ti and before that the 1080ti was nVidias previous flagships. Right? Go check their product pages, the wording is still there. I have no idea why you are trying to infer that anybody suggested the 3080 is, was and will be the only flagship model. Weird.
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I know right! How dare I not take what Nvidia say at face value. Didn't I drink enough of the koolaid to feel their tingles to be true. Ignore history claim the 2060 as a the flagship card and ignore that the super variants were release after the release date!!!

It's about that non indoctrinated life. Exercising that free will to use critical thinking regarding their history.
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CuriousTomCat said:
My comment was in response to people claiming that Nvidia have slashed their prices by 50% because a 2080 replaces the 2080ti. Which is utter nonsense in my opinion.
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They lowered the cost of GPU performance. (And 50% looks about right) ...while simultaneously outperforming the previous generations best outright.
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I don't care what number or name they slap on the side of the box. I just want to know how fast it is and how much I have to pay.

The 3080 is what generational progress is supposed to look like. (Crappy TDP not withstanding)

700 Ampere dollars now outperform 1200 of Turing's dollars. Full stop.

They could call it "Bottom Tier, Small e-peen edition", and put it on the shelf next to a $1200 "Top Tier, Massive porn-star e-peen edition" 2080Ti and I would happily buy the 3080 with the crappy name.
 
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