AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[LePhuronn]

They HAVE TO ( emphasis on have to ) buy a new GPU if they want to experience console level graphics at the minimum in the next years.

"have to" lol. So do Pascal and Turing owners, and arguably so will Ampere owners. But then you're making the assumption that ray tracing will come to PC gaming. Seeing greater adoption of RT because of the consoles doesn't automatically mean PC games and ports will use it. And even then, if you believe the rumours and naysayers, the consoles' RT performance - and by extension Big Navi - is so woeful you won't be missing anything. We never needed ray tracing to enjoy games before, so I hardly think it's the end of the world if PC gamers with low/none RT cards have to disable some half-assed reflections on a handful of surfaces that shouldn't even be reflective in the first place.

So, your point is what?

 

[LePhuronn]

Why does he sound like an alien cyborg that's been run through Google Translate from English to Chinese and then back again?

I legitimately thought he was using a speech generating device for the first few minutes.

He's Portuguese and struggles a little to translate into English, hence the drawn out phrasing. He was a guest on MLID earlier in the year and they actually discussed it briefly.

 

[LePhuronn]

what if it doesn't have anything to compete with dlss, nvenc, studio, voice and etc. Is $100 off still enough?

Yes, because I don't care about those things. I buy a graphics card to play games.

This whole "superior Nvidia software stack" argument is just fluff and desperate claw-clutching to somehow "prove" Nvidia will always be superior and justify their inflated prices.

 

[jimferno]

Yes, because I don't care about those things. I buy a graphics card to play games.

This whole "superior Nvidia software stack" argument is just fluff and desperate claw-clutching to somehow "prove" Nvidia will always be superior and justify their inflated prices.

Nonsense!

*Strokes dedicated PhysX card* whilst enjoying the the jaw dropping benefits of Hairworks and excessive levels of tessellation.

 

[Howling]

This whole "superior Nvidia software stack" argument is just fluff and desperate claw-clutching to somehow "prove" Nvidia will always be superior and justify their inflated prices.

There's never been a "superior" stack either... Just a proprietary version of software, that has very very limited use cases, that AMD ultimately makes open source and invariably ends up better and widely adopted - ie actually useful. Then nVidia has to go buy or copy some other technology to lock down to its walled-garden and the cycle repeats.

And it seems 4k8k has dropped his facade again, up until recently he was posting fairly reasonable and logical stuff - now it's back to the AMD hate train on imaginary theories and scenarios.. did his meds change?

Nonsense!

*Strokes dedicated PhysX card* whilst enjoying the the jaw dropping benefits of Hairworks and excessive levels of tessellation.

I remember almost buying an Ageia Physx card back in the day... then like a few weeks later nVidia bought it out and locked it down

 

[4K8KW10]

There was nothing wrong with the drivers though, as they've just admitted that NAVI was broken

Where to read the admission?

 

[gpuerrilla]

Glass half empty kinda guy huh?

Cause no company ever tried to not make the same mistakes right? You guys still crying over a driver issue from how long ago? IF you are so butt hurt? Wait for your 3080 to arrive, but stop making yourself look silly with comments like this, we get it, we heard you the 1000 time months ago you think AMD aren't looking to make sure they capitalize on Nvidia monumental lies and launch disaster where this time around pretty much everything that could go wrong did go wrong? Or you gonna cry about that as well? Perhaps you need a integrated GPU from intel or something to keep you happy?

This, there are countless users on here with AMD cards having no driver issues. We are grown up enough to acknowledge a poor driver and just roll back to the last stable one. I do the same when it happens to my nvidia cards. Jesus some people

Yes, because I don't care about those things. I buy a graphics card to play games.

This whole "superior Nvidia software stack" argument is just fluff and desperate claw-clutching to somehow "prove" Nvidia will always be superior and justify their inflated prices.

I find this. Its very childish and tar's the forum.

There's never been a "superior" stack either... Just a proprietary version of software, that has very very limited use cases, that AMD ultimately makes open source and invariably ends up better and widely adopted - ie actually useful. Then nVidia has to go buy or copy some other technology to lock down to its walled-garden and the cycle repeats.

Quite so.

 

[Soapysage]

So going by coreteks recent video, Big Navi is 536mm² that's very big for AMD

 

[gpuerrilla]

So going by coreteks recent video, Big Navi is 536mm² that's very big for AMD

Isnt this a good thing as cooling the die is easier?

 

[gpuerrilla]

Not available to buy

Neither are 3080s - check out the queue threads

 

[Nablaoperator]

I remember almost buying an Ageia Physx card back in the day... then like a few weeks later nVidia bought it out and locked it down

They have open sourced it now.. seems it runs faster on CPU

Btw I didn't know that physx was acquired by nvidia

 

[Nablaoperator]

Isnt this a good thing as cooling the die is easier?

That also means it will now have more transistors and target greater power consumption

 

[TNA]

Neither are 3080s - check out the queue threads

Haha. Yeah. It is a poor showing by NVidia, that is for sure. But still more people have it than a 6900

 

[gpuerrilla]

Haha. Yeah. It is a poor showing by NVidia, that is for sure. But still more people have it than a 6900

Ahh but your not being fair. AMD cant offer somehting that has yet to release.. nvidia on the other hand opened the door mid September and dont have any to give (I will take your £700 please - thank you - here your card should be here by January..)

 

[TNA]

Ahh but your not being fair. AMD cant offer somehting that has yet to release.. nvidia on the other hand opened the door mid September and dont have any to give (I will take your £700 please - thank you - here your card should be here by January..)

Well if you want to be completely fair, no one is forcing anyone to preorder. Just wait until January and buy then

You can also have it now by paying scalpers. Lol.

 

[deuse]

Ahh but your not being fair. AMD cant offer somehting that has yet to release.. nvidia on the other hand opened the door mid September and dont have any to give (I will take your £700 please - thank you - here your card should be here by January..)

IF amd have something great, they should try it as it seams to work.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Well if you want to be completely fair, no one is forcing anyone to preorder. Just wait until January and buy then

You can also have it now by paying scalpers. Lol.

Lol

 

[TNA]

IF amd have something great, they should try it as it seams to work.

Thing is, if AMD do it, it will end up being a meme forever. Bit like that jet engine 290X video that never gets old. Lol.

 

[4K8KW10]

So going by coreteks recent video, Big Navi is 536mm² that's very big for AMD

Fiji is 596 mm², so 505 mm² or even 536 mm² is not the largest we have ever seen.

AMD needs at least 600 mm², so with brute force to try to be competitive.
The likelihood that with a relatively smaller die they will achieve at least performance parity with the large GA102 (628 mm²) is quite low.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I wont get too carried away. I coudlnt give a hoot about 3090 performance as Im not looking to spend £1000+ on a card thats only 15% better than a 3080. The £600 price bracket will do me fine!