In this scenario if AMD isn't giving AIBs something to work with for Navi 21 at this point then we are still a long way from the release of those cards.
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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In this scenario if AMD isn't giving AIBs something to work with for Navi 21 at this point then we are still a long way from the release of those cards.
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Got this from chiphell forums (polymorph)
Top Navi is expected at 340w, ahem..
I still need a good theory on how AMD plans to compete with the sheer number of CUDA cores in the absence of infinity cache or shared L1 cuz it's implementation is still a wild speculation
Top Navi is expected at 340w, ahem..
I still need a good theory on how AMD plans to compete with the sheer number of CUDA cores in the absence of infinity cache or shared L1 cuz it's implementation is still a wild speculation
This whole Videocardz thing is hilarious, people losing the plot over it and usual Nvidia apologists springing back up in here to prepare to lord it over the AMD peons again haha
People either have extremely short memories and cannot think for themselves or blindly believe everything they read on teh interwebz!
AMD stated 50% increase in perf over RDNA1 wit RDNA2.. That would put the 5700XT alone level with the 3070 no?
Digital Foundry tore down the consoles and rate them around 2080/s performance no?
Both the above are NOT 80cu parts....
Just think on that for the moment, oh wait AMD released Radeon VII as a product much like the FE made for them and shipped to AIBs to add their stickers..
So you guys have a hard time believing that AMD has not given AIBs no access to the 6900XT yet? Lmao
Everyone knows the leaks come from AIBs, AMD has let them have the lower tier stuff upfront to prepare and is producing the 6900XT like it did with the RVII..
So carry on believing that the 6900xt will only conpete with a 2080ti, which means AMD actually regressed performance horrendously hahaha
Some people here need a reality check, so blinded by Nvidia they are straw clutching anything to validate their love of GREEN
People either have extremely short memories and cannot think for themselves or blindly believe everything they read on teh interwebz!
AMD stated 50% increase in perf over RDNA1 wit RDNA2.. That would put the 5700XT alone level with the 3070 no?
Digital Foundry tore down the consoles and rate them around 2080/s performance no?
Both the above are NOT 80cu parts....
Just think on that for the moment, oh wait AMD released Radeon VII as a product much like the FE made for them and shipped to AIBs to add their stickers..
So you guys have a hard time believing that AMD has not given AIBs no access to the 6900XT yet? Lmao
Everyone knows the leaks come from AIBs, AMD has let them have the lower tier stuff upfront to prepare and is producing the 6900XT like it did with the RVII..
So carry on believing that the 6900xt will only conpete with a 2080ti, which means AMD actually regressed performance horrendously hahaha
Some people here need a reality check, so blinded by Nvidia they are straw clutching anything to validate their love of GREEN
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Performance per watt iirc not outright performance. Hopefully keep the Big Daddy to themselves and blow nV away
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Reading some these unfounded comments make me believe that some are really disheartened by big navi rumors.
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Surely Nvidia has done this because they think they can take the shine away from AMD's launch.
So therefore AMD can't do anything but launch their product and let it talk?
Well so far the rumoured performance looks good. If you're not in the race to have the best then the best AMD card will be plenty. Now 1440p is fairly easy to drive in happy to sit behind the curve and enjoy cheaper prices, lower power/heat and still get good performance. It's only going to get better with the new generations.
PC gaming for the average user is looking to be in great position. It's fairly cheap to buy a great performing gaming pc now.
PC gaming for the average user is looking to be in great position. It's fairly cheap to buy a great performing gaming pc now.
Well if 16-35 fps on 4K ultra is enough for you or those that you speak for on MSFS2020 then you're absolutely right. Who needs 60fps on AAA games at 4K ultra when we can all turn down a few settings.
Nice cherry picking
You're right, it's a terrible card - apart from nearly every other card on the market (3090 excepted).
Reading some these unfounded comments make me believe that some are really disheartened by big navi rumors.
Given Nvidia's utter dominance in GPUs there's bound to be some bias in people.
I'd be happy even if RDNA2 releases don't necessarily end up beating Nvidia's offerings but are competitive.
I mean for everybody's sake (and the forums' with the stock situation / status threads
) competition is desperately required now.Dont get the moaning about performance its nothing new. Quite often the new AMD card sits below the expected competition by Nvidia on release then as drivers mature or you overclock the AMD card and it often equals or surpasses the equivalent AMD card. So the AMD card aimed at the 3080 wouldnt be surprised if it sits under the 3080 at stock, then with an overclock trades blows in some games with a 3080 stock. Judging by the results I've read it looks like the 3080's are poor overclockers so AMD might not be that far behind for less money.
Driver stability is just as important as performance. It took AMD over 6 months to solve many of the crippling RX5700 issues (small navi). We have to hope the cards are 'late' due to AMD turning a leaf and making Nvidia style release drivers.
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Totally agree, there is nothing AMD could pump out that is worse than a 3080 otherwise nobody will be buying them. You think they could offset many if it was 3070 performance? - It would have be be in the £300-400 (which would be making them no money and not really gen inmprovement - i.e. they have stagnated).Also for any apologists to be converted it has to be £200 cheaper, better performance and full box of haribo..
even then its not full commitment.I think @Rroff might be nearest with the top cards are not ready hence the lack of anything useful, probably getting it stable.
Well, the latest drivers solve almost all (some long standing) known issues according to the release notes, so seems stability is exactly what they've been looking at. We don't know if this translates to Big Navi, but I'm happy they're finally solving the outstanding issues, should give them a better base if anything.
Also for any apologists to be converted it has to be £200 cheaper, better performance and full box of haribo..
I think @Rroff might be nearest with the top cards are not ready hence the lack of anything useful, probably getting it stable.
I was just replying in the context of the scenario the poster I replied to presented - it takes AIBs time to put their product together and do all the verification, etc. so if they didn't know by around now as the poster implied then it is highly unlikely that the AIBs would be selling such a product any time soon. Personally I don't think that scenario is likely the real situation but unfortunately these days I have very little in the way of sources for AMD information.
Personally I suspect AMD has offerings that will slot in alongside the current nVidia offerings without being disruptive on price and trading blows on performance depending on games, etc.
I agree it's an outlier but it is indicative of a likely trend in how demanding games will be in the near future. 3080 can do 60fps 4K ultra in most current AAA games but certainly not all of them so any additional performance beyond a 3080 is to be welcomed and certainly isn't 'pointless'.Nice cherry picking
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Yeah was only agreeing with the part eluding to maybe AIB are not privy yet to the top card (navi21) and it will likely be an AMD reference whatever its called. This is only reason I can think of as why the AIB leaks are of a weaker card, but like the tubers say - take this with a bucket of salt..
AMD's claim is 50% performance per watt increase, that could still equate to 50% outright performance boost if you have a like-for-like comparison, e.g. a 40CU 225W 6700XT would be 50% stronger than the 40CU 225W 5700XT. And that uplift would put said 40CU 225W 6700XT about 5-10% stronger than a 2080 Ti.
Let's see what AMD manage to achieve in the real world.
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I believe AMD partners with PC Partner for manufacturing AMD branded reference boards so they can probably start supplying even the highest SKU under Sapphire brand or or sell them directly like they did with Vega FE or both.. RGT Paul had hinted that a liquid cooled SKU should be available in early 2021.. so this can go anyways
Personally i dont think its worth waiting till early 2021 for top navi..will see how that goes
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Hype train already pre-derailed??
Interestingly PC Partner own Manli and Zotac, surprised they dont distribute AMD Cards under Zotac, must be an exclusive deal with Nvidia who they also build for.
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