AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[aoaaron]

Agree totally, as a 20 series owner DLSS is not supported in ANYTNING I have used the last year, and RTX even in the 3080 tanks FPS below what is usable to me, so basically DLSS and RTX are moot and a waste of money.

I'm a fan of healthy competition and low prices, AMD should be getting a pat on the back but for some reason you got idiots posting Strix OC 3090 benchmarks and claiming the AMD train derailed VS and unknow, unannounced card in Big Navi2.

At this point the people shooting the AMD stuff down are just proving how stupidly thick they are and how much they have bought into Jensens bull****, honestly you guys need a reality check.

Agreed. Console use of raytracing seems to be a lot more sensible too. I watched a vide on DF where it was only used on the main character or something.
Sadly, using my 2080 for 2 years; DLSS and RTX has not benefitted me outside of Shadow of the Tomb Raider (which I only played for 3 hours).

but will that 6Gb of VRAM benefit me? I'm not sure either. I think the deciding factor for me will be VR performance where NVIDIa has historically excelled.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Because no one noticed it and I found it interesting that AMD in an AMD presentation for CPU's with GPU's at the end were using nVidia GPU's in their CPU benchmarking, it's nothing to do with trolling. Could you imagine nVidia using an AMD card? Nope. It was just something I noticed and as it was CPU and GPU related, it was posted. Sure the world won't fall apart because I posted in two different places.

In reference to the launch of the CPUs it makes sense, it was the fastest GPU at the time. So why use a slower GPU to make a comparison. Also it is only stated in the fine print. How many people here do you think even saw that if you didn't post it?

In regards to your statement about Nvidia.
The reason you would show your competitor is if they are the market leader and you are beating them, hence why Intel turned up in the CPU benchmarks during AMDs presentation.
If AMD were the market leaders in GPUs and Nvidia was the underdog with a 10 year losing streak, and released a product that was better than AMDs GPU they would have comparative benchmarks to AMD GPUs. (For the slow amongst you, it is a reference to AMDs CPU position and their comeback). The reason Nvidia don't is because they own the fastest GPU on the market.

When Zen 4 hits the market, if intel are slower than Zen 3, you will not see AMD comparing their CPUs to Intel CPUs.

 

[Nablaoperator]

LOL, at them claiming victory for nvidia. A card that won't show world wide availability unit 2021 do to shortages in the supply channel.

The youve got other speculations to add:
GDDR6 vs GDDR6X
512 GB/s mem bandwidth
nvidia will look like fools..
but lets not jump ahead.. just 3 games were covered

 

[Relentless81]

I honestly think they have a secret weapon above what they teased, I'm 39 years old and not been this excited since I was a child at Christmas. I hope I'm right in thinking they will do a 6800 reveal on the 28th first which is hopefully what was teased today followed by a "BTW we also have the 6900 and it can do this"

Or not! Either way I'm still excited to replace my Vega 56 with something that's going to net me +100 FPS minimums at 1440p

 

[aoaaron]

Yes, I am in your former point, the latter point not enough adoption or games to make it worthwhile. Pair this with waiting on after Christmas to be able to get hold of a 3080, yeah jog on nvidia.

I'm happy to wait til Christmas. Not a problem, if AMD can't supply cards by Christmas.

The paper launch was pathetic and people pre-ordering are just idiots but the shoddy launch wouldn't deter me from buying NVIDIA.

What wil deter me from buying NVIDIA is if AMD release a superior, more powerful, card. I personally think RTX and DLSS features are probably worth about £50-100 because being able to play the odd AAA game at 4k/60-120hz when it shouldn't be possible like Cyberpunk is cool.

So either AMD beat it performance wise, price is far more competively taking into account the lack of features, provide healthy more VRAM which is proven to be taken advantage of by some form of games in the next 6 months (I'm prepared to wait that long to see how the market develops), or I'll go with the card with a more complex feature set.

 

[KentMan]

For those questioning why they used a 2080ti its because you can verify the results yourself if you have the hardware, its that simple, if they use their own 6000 GPU you cannot verify the results... and as for not using a 5700XT, they use the best commonly available GPU at the time, would have been 3080 if Nvidia had not paper launched it.

Like i say, that i feel was not the full story, like with the CPU's AMD saved the best for last, they did EXACTLY the same last reveal and incidentally used a 2080ti then as well iirc to showcase their CPU's... and last time they saved the best for last with CPU.. i feel they will do EXACTLY the same again this time during the CPU launch.

We have not yet seen the full fat Biggest Navi i feel.

 

[Nablaoperator]

I'm happy to wait til Christmas. Not a problem, if AMD can't supply cards by Christmas.

The paper launch was pathetic and people pre-ordering are just idiots but the shoddy launch wouldn't deter me from buying NVIDIA.

What wil deter me from buying NVIDIA is if AMD release a superior, more powerful, card. I personally think RTX and DLSS features are probably worth about £50-100 because being able to play the odd AAA game at 4k/60-120hz when it shouldn't be possible like Cyberpunk is cool.

So either AMD beat it performance wise, price is far more competively taking into account the lack of features, provide healthy more VRAM which is proven to be taken advantage of by some form of games in the next 6 months (I'm prepared to wait that long to see how the market develops), or I'll go with the card with a more complex feature set.

I just count transistors

 

[doody]

If I spent 5 minutes of my time, I could google up multiple respectable hardware review sites, where the vast driver problems from the 5700XT series are well documented. Go ahead and google "rx5700 black screen" or "rx5700 driver issues". There are literally thousands of results.....

I also frequent r/Amd/ - there were threads here with thousands upon thousands of posts of angry owners having issues.

Perhaps you're aware of adoredTV's channel on youtube? A self confessed AMD fan channel - even Jim ripped AMD a new one on the terrible state of RX5700 drivers a few months ago.

Ye that's why he's got a nvidia gpu in his pc

 

[DDH]

So are you guys going to accept that I was right all along?

big Navi sits between the rtx3070 and rtx3080 as I've said for weeks now

Wow the amount of cope on display in this thread from NVIDIA fanboys is almost at critical level.

There will be a +35% gap between the 3070 and 3080. AMD just showed benches where a GPU is on par with the 3080, and you're hear trying to spin it was a negative and claim youre Nostradamus.

AMD just showed you the 2nd tier card, not the top tier, i guarantee it. If AMD just showed you the best they have they have nothing to suprise you with come 28th Oct. Never would a marketing team undermine their main launch like this.

And let's not forget that this will be the greatest generational leap ever for GPUs, not just AMD but NVIDIA too.

I bet they put out this little preview to counter all the 3070 competitor rubbish been thrown around.


Anyone thinking the 3070ti will come close to this rx6000 card is dreaming. A 4% increase in cores does not close a 30% performance gap

 

[Kirby Wurm]

It will be a good card, and that’s it. Good. Not great.

Maybe in absolute performance but that's not the metric most care about. For me price/performance determines the quality of a card, if this one is within 10% of a 3080 (ie roughly the same performance tier) but say, 20% cheaper, then it'll a great offering in my book. Personally I couldn't care less for RTX/DLSS (as impressive as they can be) due to the limited amount of games that support them.

 

[Purgatory]

I'd love them to turn up and say BTW, crossfire is BACK!!! 2x6900XT's would be lush!

If they do that game over RTX 3080.

I really hope they do bring back x-fire and promise to keep adding profiles and fixes for it. Imagine MS Flight Simulator 2020 working in X-fire... That's me saying bye bye Nvidia .. and if they truly come with 16GB and in the same ball park as a 3080 it's really game over for NVIDIA unless they bring the prices down and bring out them 20GB cards quickly.. Also lets see how AMD deal with the launch and if they actually have stocks, which I'm sure they will.. compared to what Nvidia did with their paper launch and the backlash I'm almost sure AMD will not make that mistake in a rush.


Also I have a funny feeling the GPU shown was the 6800 range in the benchmarks and AMD have something waiting for the big reveal .. she just was so confident and knew that was a tease only for now that will keep most of us busy till then. Well lets see and hope they do have something good, getting tired of Nvidia as I did with Intel.. maybe time to jump ship again and do same with the GPU.

All they have to say is as fast (or a little slower) or faster than a 3080 and X-fire and bye bye Nvidia ..

If they come out and say hey we have a faster card than a 3090 I will p**s myself laughing. Intel today have already wet the bed with the 5000 CPUs , yes prices are up on the CPUs but not by much , let's be honest if that was Intel the 5950x would be a £1500 if they were still in the lead.. Look back at all the Intel prices for their top HEDT CPUs.. Even now some are silly money.


Anyways today was funny really, and kinda happy I got the 3950x a few weeks back while on sale now as I don't see huge gains in the 5950x when all 16 cores are going to be running, in single core yup but not too bothered about that for now as I'm sure rip off uk will be charging £800 for it and not to add the gouging from retailers that will pretend they are short of stock again and when people stop paying the gouged rate they magically appear in 1000's week after, just have to go check the 3950x thread on here in the cpu section and you will see what I mean . Of course while other retailers were selling at MSRP on the high street as that comedy was going on here.

 

[Nablaoperator]

Wow the amount of cope on display in this thread from NVIDIA fanboys is almost at critical level.

There will be a +35% gap between the 3070 and 3080. AMD just showed benches where a GPU is on par with the 3080, and you're hear trying to spin it was a negative and claim youre Nostradamus.

AMD just showed you the 2nd tier card, not the top tier, i guarantee it. If AMD just showed you the best they have they have nothing to suprise you with come 28th Oct. Never would a marketing team undermine their main launch like this.

And let's not forget that this will be the greatest generational leap ever for GPUs, not just AMD but NVIDIA too.

I bet they put out this little preview to counter all the 3070 competitor rubbish been thrown around.


Anyone thinking the 3070ti will come close to this rx6000 card is dreaming. A 4% increase in cores does not close a 30% performance gap

And the data is bad.. just pure propaganda..
you just got to be extra careful about rational behaviour with these folks

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

Couple if points, i dont think thats the best version of Big Navi, although its probably not far off..

Its trading blows with 3080 currently, we have zero info on system spec used though.

AMD have been water tight on leaks before today, so i seriously doubt theyll show their full hand at the end of their cpu presentation, just cant see it.

No, theyll open with "So we showed you a little of Big Navi at the end of our Cpu presentation, well today we will show you Big Navi in all its glory" followed by the full fat kuhuna Navi at which point we will all realise they sandbagged a bit.

As for the tri fan cooler, rumors are they ditched the dual fan cooler, im not so sure as i expect them to use dual and single fan at the lower end if the stack.

Lastly, drivers, we all know AMD pulls more perf over time, so even if that is infact the best Navi, trading blows with 3080, we could see more performance to come with drivers, and we have no idea if the cards have any OC headroom.

So much we wont know for now and the all important prices.

Also i just cant see AMD following up that amazing CPU reveal with a disappointing GPU reveal, just cant see it.

I think this time round AMD has monster products

AMD are not theselves these days, normally its shouting from the rooftops saying how good a product is, though generally it isnt, this time, your right, they are not shouting, they give us a tease, with selective benches, showing its close, i really cant see them shooting their bolt early, i think theres a decent gpu hiding. this is a new quieter AMD.they look like they may have the new K7, hopefully gpu wise it be 2009 all over again, though not holding me breath

 

[cliffy]

Because no one noticed it and I found it interesting that AMD in an AMD presentation for CPU's with GPU's at the end were using nVidia GPU's in their CPU benchmarking, it's nothing to do with trolling. Could you imagine nVidia using an AMD card? Nope. It was just something I noticed and as it was CPU and GPU related, it was posted. Sure the world won't fall apart because I posted in two different places.

They just used highest performing GPU they had access to, makes perfect sense. Also for reference in Nvidia's keynote AMD was mentioned a lot by name. I heard no mention of Intel or Nvidia in this keynote and only saw a single mention of Intel on 1 slide and Nvidia in the footnote to the video

 

[Twinz]

They just used highest performing GPU they had access to, makes perfect sense.

I assume they have access to their own GPU's...including the ones that are not yet on the market.

 

[crazy8s]

They just used highest performing GPU they had access to, makes perfect sense. Also for reference in Nvidia's keynote AMD was mentioned a lot by name. I heard no mention of Intel or Nvidia in this keynote and only saw a single mention of Intel on 1 slide and Nvidia in the footnote to the video

Referencing them as "the competition" was a nice touch.

 

[docsonic]

In a call before the Zen 3 event, Radeon chief Scott Herkelman told me that AMD decided to tease Big Navi’s performance due to community demand for more information. It certainly was an eye-opening reveal....

...Most importantly, Herkelman stressed that AMD didn’t state which Radeon RX 6000 graphics card ran these benchmarks. We don’t know whether these results come from the biggest Big Navi GPU, or a more modest offering.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3585090/amd-radeon-rx-6000-big-navi-performance-tease-rtx-3080.html

 

[Wrinkly]

You are the first person, i've heard that wants to upgrade for RT. I wouldn't do it but fair enough.
You are a minority though and if i was in charge of AMDs marketing you would be a write off. I wouldn't change my strategy for someone of your use case, even if AMD wiped the floor with Nvidias in RT.

Also how often do you plan on playing control that your purchasing decision hinges on this one game. Do you plan on speed running it or something .

I see RT taking off with 30 series/RDNA2 adding a level of pleasure much like the Voodoo cards back in the day.

 

[pugheaven]

Referencing them as "the competition" was a nice touch.

100% and more professional by doing so. Unlike INtels release of the laptop CPU's which was embaressing tbh.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

AMD just showed you the 2nd tier card, not the top tier, i guarantee it. If AMD just showed you the best they have they have nothing to suprise you with come 28th Oct. Never would a marketing team undermine their main launch like this.

Reading your post, i'm starting to agree more on the notion that this isn't the very best case that AMD is showing . As you've stated it would be marketing sucide to do that.