AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Troezar]

I do think it seems worse than ever.
There's always been rabid fanboys, but it's wild now.

Being whipped up by rumours, into mouth foaming excitement. Or, being deeply angry that another company could have a decent product. If this is you, sort yourself out.

I'm not sure, in fact in the past the ban hammer used to come out along with threats to shut down the graphics section IIRC. This is quite civilized

 

[g67575]

With the performance being (apparently) within 5-10% of the RTX 3080, and 61 FPS at 4K even in challenging games like Borderlands 3, 'Big Navi' perf. doesn't worry me.

We also saw some other Ashes of the Singularity benchmarks showing 60 fps+ 4K benchmarks also from a new GPU from AMD, which were largely dismissed.

I am worried they will price 'Big Navi' too high though. I suppose I (maybe some others here too) could buy whatever is available next year if the price is too high.

 

[MikeB]

Their CPU prices to me demonstrated greed, AMD has always been the "Yeah it's a bit slower but a lot cheaper option", I do wonder if we are about to see them going into the £650++ territory

 

[Martini1991]

It's going to be ~5% under a 3080 and £575 isn't it lol?
"Disruptive".

 

[Robert]

Their CPU prices to me demonstrated greed, AMD has always been the "Yeah it's a bit slower but a lot cheaper option", I do wonder if we are about to see them going into the £650++ territory

AMD CPUs have not always been “the bit slower, but cheaper” option. They have struggled for years but are getting it back.

the issue is that for years intel and NV have been in a position of power and have massively underwhelmed.

 

[varkanoid]

I'm not sure, in fact in the past the ban hammer used to come out along with threats to shut down the graphics section IIRC. This is quite civilized

Yeah you are right people with long memories will remember quite a few previous releases we nearly lost the whole section. The discussions lately are positively polite in comparison.

 

[gpuerrilla]

AMD CPUs have not always been “the bit slower, but cheaper” option. They have struggled for years but are getting it back.

Same can be said for the GPUs, the stigma always lives for some though they can never forget either 'drivers' or 'runs hot'. Sad truth is nvidia are in this position and likely more expensive (again) yet nothing will stick to teflon..

 

[Martini1991]

AMD CPUs have not always been “the bit slower, but cheaper” option. They have struggled for years but are getting it back.

the issue is that for years intel and NV have been in a position of power and have massively underwhelmed.

For at least 10 years the quote was true lol. I don't understand the semantics.

Hell for 5 years their best CPU's were their Pile-driver stuff as they just stopped launching anything till Zen really (At the upper end, they did release some APU's and new SKU's though)

 

[gpuerrilla]

Is there any other enthusiast area in the world, that can talk so much about so little?
I'm hopeful from those 3 numbers AMD posted, and they do seem to be on a roll. Still, we've all been there for the last several AMD card releases. It's not set the world on fire.
It feels like some are offended by the idea AMD could release a decent card though. They should give their head a shake. Some competition would be great!
I don't care who makes my GPU, I just want a strong mid-range card.

Good post. Embrace some competition and choice. After all its why the 3080 is so cheap, Jensen was sweating on it and hated telling shareholders - we have to start at £650... so fanboys also win. Be nice if people gave credit even if you do not like the opposing brand and 'reasons' why they do not entertain them.

 

[Rroff]

Same can be said for the GPUs, the stigma always lives for some though they can never forget either 'drivers' or 'runs hot'. Sad truth is nvidia are in this position and likely more expensive (again) yet nothing will stick to teflon..

It'll be interesting to see where thing stack up performance/power wise - I don't know how to interpret it but the firmware power management stuff for Navi 21 mentions stuff like 230 watt, 250 watt but not sure if that is in any way related to the TDP.

 

[gpuerrilla]

It'll be interesting to see where thing stack up performance/power wise - I don't know how to interpret it but the firmware power management stuff for Navi 21 mentions stuff like 230 watt, 250 watt but not sure if that is in any way related to the TDP.

If they do get some credible power draw figures it time to applaud that. Of course the narrative will go back to - ahh but this card is faster and thats all that matters!!

 

[flea.rider]

Their CPU prices to me demonstrated greed, AMD has always been the "Yeah it's a bit slower but a lot cheaper option", I do wonder if we are about to see them going into the £650++ territory

but now there not a bit slower ..but a lot faster so there charging $50 premium did they not earn this .. ? but on the gpu side they still need to earn the respect ..

 

[Nablaoperator]

but now there not a bit slower ..but a lot faster so there charging $50 premium did they not earn this .. ? but on the gpu side they still need to earn the respect ..

At $559 it's a steal
$599 adequately priced..
though it makes sense to target 559 as the market these days just slaps an additional $50 during the launch crunch
The RT discount is going to be blessing for folks who prefer RTX Off
.. still i got to remind myself that they showed just 3 games

And I am personally hoping for crossfire to make a come back..

 

[TNA]

And I am personally hoping for crossfire to make a come back..

Don’t hold your breath. MCM is what is coming next as far as I understand.

 

[Rroff]

but now there not a bit slower ..but a lot faster so there charging $50 premium did they not earn this .. ? but on the gpu side they still need to earn the respect ..

I'm fairly certain the price increases on TSMC 7nm is leaving them limited options on pricing and I will be surprised if they don't more or less sit in with nVidia's pricing - regardless of what people think they "should" do.

 

[TNA]

I'm fairly certain the price increases on TSMC 7nm is leaving them limited options on pricing and I will be surprised if they don't more or less sit in with nVidia's pricing - regardless of what people think they "should" do.

Do you plan on picking up a 3070 or something or your waiting for hopper?

 

[Nablaoperator]

Don’t hold your breath. MCM is what is coming next as far as I understand.

Then i am staring at a full PC upgrade.. i should start lurking in the Processors section
or maybe i will just treat myself with high end speakers

 

[MikeB]

but now there not a bit slower ..but a lot faster so there charging $50 premium did they not earn this .. ? but on the gpu side they still need to earn the respect ..

I'm agnostic on it all, can't get a 3080 (would have if I could but gone off the boil on it now), will buy whatever AMD has dependant on price and noise, noise is a bigger factor to me than outright performance

 

[Rroff]

Do you plan on picking up a 3070 or something or your waiting for hopper?

Depends I'm in a few minds - if I can source a 3080 at £650 I will probably go with that - though I don't really need more than 3070 performance as the only reason I'd pick up an Ampere GPU at this stage is that I'm doing some RTX development stuff on the side and single digit framerates on my 1070 really don't cut it.

TBH so far most newer games I get bored of them after 5 minutes and go back to alternating between BF4 and TD1 which play fine on my 1070.

 

[Martini1991]

but now there not a bit slower ..but a lot faster so there charging $50 premium did they not earn this .. ? but on the gpu side they still need to earn the respect ..

By the same token Intel earned their price premium by being miles ahead then lol. And everyone complained (Myself included) at the price of Intel lol.

Neither are your friend, they all want what's in your pants.